Online reading group and book discussion forum
  HOME ENTER FORUMS OUR BOOKS LINKS DONATE ADVERTISE CONTACT  
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:28 pm





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average. 
A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud. 
Author Message
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5786
Thanks: 1359
Thanked: 952 times in 818 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
According to MIT Election Data Lab


Quote:
As with all forms of voter fraud, documented instances of fraud related to VBM are rare. However, even many scholars who argue that fraud is generally rare agree that fraud with VBM voting seems to be more frequent than with in-person voting.

(emphasis added)


https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/vo ... tee-voting


So a question might be why is this concern so often quashed with "although it's rare", when it is admitted that it is still more frequent than with in-person voting?


Why is an opportunity given for one thing to become more frequent when it is harder to become a frequent occurrence when done one particular way?



Thu May 21, 2020 6:08 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5786
Thanks: 1359
Thanked: 952 times in 818 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
Judge admits to voter fraud - took bribes to stuff the ballot boxes for democrats

https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fra ... 00521.html


This is likely much more common than democrats admit. They are so dismissive of the topic one almost has to believe there is a valid reason why that is.

How much coverage will the NYT, CNN, and MSNBC give this story?



Sat May 23, 2020 9:27 am
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Platinum Contributor
Book Discussion Leader

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 6604
Location: Luray, Virginia
Thanks: 1988
Thanked: 2211 times in 1672 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
It would be nice if the article offered more substantial information, but it says what we might assume by common sense, that voting by mail "seems to" be a better opportunity for fraud than in-person voting. In-person fraud is thought to be exceedingly rare (except by Trump in 2016), so how significant might an increase in bad VBM votes be? Sure, we could say that the risk of only a few more fraud votes should give us pause, but there's a calculus having to do with enfranchisement, especially in these times of pandemic.

You ask if the study will receive attention from the MSM. The findings don't claim to be definitive, it appears, so that could be a reason for not reporting on it. I don't know. I have a degree of trust in the MSM, which is not to say they're perfect or immune to bias. Throwing a study like this into the political mix, you have the opposing view about voter suppression, which also is a form of voter fraud. That's where my sympathies are in the wider debate.



Sat May 23, 2020 5:01 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5786
Thanks: 1359
Thanked: 952 times in 818 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
Quote:
You ask if the study will receive attention from the MSM. The findings don't claim to be definitive


Sorry, what?

I was referring to the guilty plea where the judge admitted to stuffing ballot boxes for the democrats, not the study.



Sat May 23, 2020 6:14 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5786
Thanks: 1359
Thanked: 952 times in 818 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
duplicate post deleted



Sat May 23, 2020 6:14 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Platinum Contributor
Book Discussion Leader

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 6604
Location: Luray, Virginia
Thanks: 1988
Thanked: 2211 times in 1672 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
ant wrote:
Quote:
You ask if the study will receive attention from the MSM. The findings don't claim to be definitive


Sorry, what?

I was referring to the guilty plea where the judge admitted to stuffing ballot boxes for the democrats, not the study.

Yeah, okay. I conflated your two posts.



Sun May 24, 2020 9:11 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5786
Thanks: 1359
Thanked: 952 times in 818 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
What a mess mail in ballots can become..
it leaves too much room for messes like this and or flat-out fraud.

Even the left of center NYTs can't deny it entirely.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/us/p ... virus.html



Tue May 26, 2020 6:58 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Platinum Contributor
Book Discussion Leader

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 6604
Location: Luray, Virginia
Thanks: 1988
Thanked: 2211 times in 1672 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: A "however" exists as it relates to the alleged infrequency of voter fraud.
ant wrote:
What a mess mail in ballots can become..
it leaves too much room for messes like this and or flat-out fraud.

Even the left of center NYTs can't deny it entirely.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/us/p ... virus.html

I'm nostalgic for voting day and wish it could be maintained. Nothing better than seeing people going out to vote. That's my preference. But clearly we need to have the exceptions in place. Those seemed to be taken care of by having mail-in or absentee ballots available by request. Part of the reason for vbm seems to be that it's easier to administer, but that's not a good reason to do it. It does seem inherently less secure. But politicians, or anyone who wants to question its wisdom, should make more reasonable warnings than Trump has chosen to do.



Tue May 26, 2020 9:43 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average. 



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:

Announcements 

• Promote Your FICTION Book on BookTalk.org
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:33 pm

• Promote Your NON-FICTION Book on BookTalk.org
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:18 pm



Site Resources 
HELPFUL INFO:
Community Rules & Tips
Frequently Asked Questions
BBCode Explained
Author Interview Transcripts
Book Discussion Leaders

IDEAS FOR WHAT TO READ:
Bestsellers
Book Awards
• Book Reviews
• Online Books
• Team Picks
Newspaper Book Sections

WHERE TO BUY BOOKS:
• Coming Soon!

BEHIND THE BOOKS:
• Coming Soon!

PROMOTE YOUR BOOK!
Advertise on BookTalk.org
Promote your FICTION book
Promote your NON-FICTION book





BookTalk.org is a thriving book discussion forum, online reading group or book club. We read and talk about both fiction and non-fiction books as a community. Our forums are open to anyone in the world. While discussing books is our passion we also have active forums for talking about poetry, short stories, writing and authors. Our general discussion forum section includes forums for discussing science, religion, philosophy, politics, history, current events, arts, entertainment and more. We hope you join us!


Navigation 
MAIN NAVIGATION

HOMEFORUMSOUR BOOKSAUTHOR INTERVIEWSADVERTISELINKSFAQDONATETERMS OF USEPRIVACY POLICYSITEMAP

OTHER PAGES WORTH EXPLORING
Banned Book ListOnline Reading GroupTop 10 Atheism Books

Copyright © BookTalk.org 2002-2019. All rights reserved.
Display Pagerank