No it's not, absolutely not. Science is merely the observation of the observable universe. The observable universe is nothing more than a creation of your mind. The true universe exists within you so the best method of producing knowledge in human history is meditation, looking deep within yourself. Everything out here in the external world is merely a distraction and your own subjective creation. To say that this distraction is the best method we have of producing knowledge is silly, but I understand that you have been indoctrinated to believe such silly things. I'm sure it's just purely coincidental that your indoctrination also teaches you that you are a worthless accidentally created meat and flesh body that only exists to work as a debt slave in a system that has disdain for you, be a good consumer to keep the system going, and reproduce indoctrinating your children into schools (aka brainwashing stations for the youth) so they will live the same meaningless life as you because the whole purpose of life is to gain as much material wealth as possible even though you can't take any of it with you when you die and your stay on this planet is very short.....Interbane wrote: It is the best method of producing knowledge in human history.
What the ancients knew is the ocean and your understanding of today is a drop. I don't believe that the historical records are accurate at all. In the past existed many great civilizations going much further back than what is believed today and they were far more advanced than today. Ancient wisdom teaches that thought is the creative force in the universe and it is thought that creates matter this is why they had a much better understanding of the true nature of reality than scientists of today. Think about it we can't even duplicate a simple pyramid which has withstood earthquakes for thousands of years ect… and you haven't even started to understand their purpose or how they could be so perfectly aligned to the stars.Interbane wrote:What the ancients knew about the cosmos is a drop in the ocean of what we know today. They may have had exceedingly keen insights that have been lost to time, but those would be exceptions, not the rule.
Yes, I know it doesn't predict anything to do with civilization, but people assume that since we were supposedly dumb primates in the past as we slowly evolve we slowly get smarter devising more technologies and cultures. This is not true. More advanced cultures come into existence quickly bringing with them technologies and innovations and then they slowly degrade over time the exact opposite of what you would expect to happen.Interbane wrote:Evolution doesn’t predict the rise and fall of civilizations. Where did you read this? Evolution does account for massive speciation events,however, even if you’re in the phyletic gradualism camp instead of the punctuated equilibrium camp.
I continue to mention it because you are still assuming there is some kind of objective truth. What you believe will have profound effects over the reality you experience. There is no objective truth for your science to study. I believe they call it the hard problem and the observer effect. You are extremely powerful and people of the past that didn't have all your limiting beliefs were capable of tremendous feats which have become myth and legend of today.Interbane wrote:Just like assumptions, everyone has a worldview. Why do you mention this like it’s some secret? And what makes you think some worldviews aren’t vastly more truthful than others? We can keep going on this thread, and I can make a strong case that metaphysical naturalism far more verisimilitude than any other worldview.
Like a holographic man trapped inside a hologram you cleverly manipulate the objects inside the hologram, but it doesn't mean you have any understanding about the true nature of reality or what exists outside the hologram and where the projector is. The only way to get there is as I already said, to go deep within yourself because that is where the true universe exists.Interbane wrote:You missed my previous point that many of these gadgets would simply not work unless we had an understanding of the cosmos. GPS from Satellites and the theory of relativity, for example. Nearly any electronic gadget and electromagnetism. Everything from fluid dynamics to evolutionary biology to geology, we create stuff by virtue of understanding how the world works.
It's not a conspiracy, it's just business.Interbane wrote:Right, science is a vast conspiracy funded by private interests. I mean no disrespect personally, but if you think this is true you’re delusional.
Interbane wrote:I’m guessing your idea of science as a conspiracy only applies to evolution? I mean, do you doubt existing knowledge of how aurora borealis works? Or photosynthesis? Or Volcanos? Sweeping dismissals may be emotionally appealing for you in pushing your esoteric worldview, but why not give some details? Is there some mistake in the periodic table we don’t know about? Is visible light not actually between 400 and 700 nanometers on the EM spectrum? Were the gravity waves sensed last year actually something else?
I enjoy discussing the philosophy of science, and will continue in this thread. But unless you have some specific examples of where you find issue, I’m going to ignore it as emotional language with no substance.
I don't think science itself is a conspiracy, but certain areas are manipulated by the powers that be. The rulers of this planet that have 99% of the wealth have chosen a worldview that they want to push onto the masses plain and simple. Scientists are indoctrinated into this world view as children, and taught it in all their schooling leading up to becoming scientists. If they go along with it and make scientific advancements that maintain the status quo they will have a great career. If they go against it their career will be destroyed. If right now you could make a replicator that could synthesize any food you wanted by rearranging atoms you would think that would be a blessing to humanity and could end world hunger. Most likely you would be killed and the technology seized and hidden. You can call it a conspiracy if you want, but it is absolutely true that powerful people get together and "conspire" about how to increase their power. These powerful people don't care about the aurora borealis, photosynthesis, or volcanos, but they do care about maintaining the scientific worldviews they themselves have put in place like the idea of a big bang and evolution. I already addressed why they created these ideas, because they take power away from you. The rulers of the planet don't believe any of this scientific nonsense themselves that is for the slaves, they practice blood rituals and magic.
To me I see it as a complete paradox that makes no sense and defies all logic. There are only two options. One, source just popped into existence. Two, source has always existed with no beginning and no end. Either is impossible and the fact that we are having this conversation is a miracle.Interbane wrote:It’s amazing to think about, sure. But I don’t see what logic is defied, or what’s paradoxical about it. I don’t think we understand how things came to be well enough to make these assumptions.