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The Coup against Donald Trump 
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Post Re: The Coup against Donald Trump
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Democrats don't love America. They love some perverted concept about what America should be, and they need iron-fisted power to ram that concept down the throats of American citizens. Democrats love power. And they will stop at nothing to secure that power.


Despite the rant that went with it, I found myself contemplating this from time to time since then. I have trouble taking the source seriously, but I find it to be a statement of honest emotional reaction.

To a Progressive, of course, the idea that wanting to see America become what it should be is an obvious part of loving the country. How would you love your family or your children without wanting them to be their best?

Yet I remember trying to reassure my sons that even though we often corrected them and pressured them, still they are "perfect". It's difficult to explain to someone who hasn't had kids. And I feel that a major part of the conservative reaction to Progressive reformism is exactly the feeling of rejecting criticism: of feeling that they have plenty on their plate already and don't need some busybody telling them what to drive or what to eat or how to behave with their neighbors. Are they supposed to take orders from some Ph.D. in Sociology?

Of course the bit about needing iron-fisted power to impose Progressive "ought to's" is a load of hooey, but I can see how people would feel that way. I have been leaning toward leaving cake bakers and other idiosyncratic discriminators alone, for quite some time now. I think persuasion is far stronger, more satisfying and more healthy than enforcement. The anti-theist movement spawned, among other things, a movement to outlaw circumcision of children. Holy crap! Why not just banish Jews altogether? I mean, this is over-the-top insensitivity.

So I ask myself, how accepting can I be of people whose views differ and who feel entitled to them by tradition?



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The Russians did interfere in our 2016 election, with the purpose of helping Trump win. Regardless of how this information came to light, these are the damning facts

Interesting how the right has changed the narrative, either by pooh-poohing the interference: "This is nothing new. Hey, we do it too!" Or the National Enquirer version: "Obama, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper aided Russian efforts to divide Americans with ‘Spygate’"

The right also seems to have embraced the narrative that Robert Mueller is a villain. He should be disbarred. He should be jailed!

But again, those damning facts. Shoot the messengers, but you still have a sitting POTUS who was aided and abetted by a foreign government and who, as President, has done absolutely nothing to protect our elections against foreign meddling.


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Democrats don't love America. They love some perverted concept about what America should be, and they need iron-fisted power to ram that concept down the throats of American citizens. Democrats love power. And they will stop at nothing to secure that power.

That statement attempts to maintain divisiveness, just as a blanket condemnation of Republicans would be intended to do. Democrats don't love America? They have a perverted concept of America? Why, because they've objected to our leader mimicking Stalin with his press-as-enemy-of-the-people charge? Because they've wanted to protect the integrity of our elections against foreign interference, while our leader shrugs at the reality of it? Because they object to the censuring of of scientific findings, the discarding of relationships with democratic allies, the attacks by our president on private citizens, and the acquiescence to the president's blatant falsehoods? Those represent the actions of patriots, whether in the past they have voted Democrat or Republican.



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Post Re: The Coup against Donald Trump
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. . . Democrats don't love America? . . . Because they object to the censuring of scientific findings, the discarding of relationships with democratic allies, the attacks by our president on private citizens, and the acquiescence to the president's blatant falsehoods? Those represent the actions of patriots, whether in the past they have voted Democrat or Republican.


I think this is what is meant by 'identity politics,' if I understand what the term means. Before Trump, if you had asked anyone whether they think a president should be honest with the American people, I think you would have received a resounding 'yes' from both the left and right. Should a sitting president have a basic understanding of science and history? Same thing. Should a president try only to represent the interests of his/her own party? Only those whose identities are based on partisan politics would respond with 'yes.'

With Trump we have seen a wholesale jettisoning of things like honor and integrity, not to mention patriotism. For example, don't we all want to fight for the integrity of our free elections? Shouldn't we all be opposed to foreign attempts to infiltrate our elections? I would like to think this is a concern for all Americans, politics be damned.


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Post Re: The Coup against Donald Trump
Balzac wrote : "Behind every great fortune is a great crime." Balzac was a Monarchist and a Conservative and certainly enjoyed the fruits of his success, but he had a sharp eye and an inquisitive nose for corruption and the mealy-mouthed rhetoric - the stench of a rotting establishment - that accompanies it.
Literature teaches many things, among them that there is very little honesty in politics, and even less integrity. The modus operandi of democratic politics is to put in place as many checks, balances and regulations as possible, along with clear and powerful oversight, to stop the crooked bastards taking the nation to the cleaners. That is what has been put in limbo and Trump is simply the latest manifestation; in the UK we are facing the possibility of a mini-minor Trump in the person of Johnson. The only way out - and it is a long road - is to vote for policy, not personality.



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Trump is going to win another term whether people like it or not. Im not his fan no would i ever vote for him. but he showed the true colors of the United States


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