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I don't think the Labour party is dominated by anti-Semitic voices; right-wing propaganda would have you believe that is the case, but it is not. The Labour Party is supportive of a two-state solution in Palestine, and Israel, supported by Trump's administration opposes that, so the position remains as it has always been - Zionists Israel demands territorial gains in the name of security. It follows that the best way to gain traction for that internationally is to describe anybody who refutes those demands as anti-Semitic. The battle is what it always has been and always will be - Left against Right.


Fair enough, 'dominated' is too strong a term, as evidenced by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakrabarti_Inquiry

But I still think the general point holds that anti-Semitism these days is stronger on the political left than on the political right.


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The Mueller 'investigation' wasn't an investigation at all; it was a smokescreen designed to cover the Obama administration's illegal activities until Trump resigned. But Trump has more backbone than calculated, and now that the smoke has cleared we'll begin to see some reports about TRUE investigations that have been going on. One concerning James Comey is due out in a week or two. And the Inspector General will release one in May or June. Both reports will contain criminal referrals. This is why snakes like Bob Woodward (CIA) are acting so girly all of a sudden. He rode the anti-Trump bandwagon up to this bump in the road, but now he's jumped off and is walking away as fast as he can. Snakes John Brennan and James Clapper are squirming...all of Washington is. Obama ordered the FBI to begin illegal spying on Americans years ago, and that spying extended to the Trump campaign. Obama never thought he'd get caught, and if he did, well, President Hillary would pardon him. It is so, so sweet to see the plans gang awry. The wee beasties are cowering now.

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'Bombshell' report on James Comey coming in two weeks, Joe diGenova says
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Fair enough, 'dominated' is too strong a term, as evidenced by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakrabarti_Inquiry

But I still think the general point holds that anti-Semitism these days is stronger on the political left than on the political right


I don't quite follow - on what basis do you think that point holds ? There isn't any solid evidence that I have seen that supports that view; plenty of opinion, but little evidence.



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The Mueller 'investigation' wasn't an investigation at all; it was a smokescreen designed to cover the Obama administration's illegal activities until Trump resigned. But Trump has more backbone than calculated, and now that the smoke has cleared we'll begin to see some reports about TRUE investigations that have been going on. One concerning James Comey is due out in a week or two. And the Inspector General will release one in May or June. Both reports will contain criminal referrals. This is why snakes like Bob Woodward (CIA) are acting so girly all of a sudden. He rode the anti-Trump bandwagon up to this bump in the road, but now he's jumped off and is walking away as fast as he can. Snakes John Brennan and James Clapper are squirming...all of Washington is. Obama ordered the FBI to begin illegal spying on Americans years ago, and that spying extended to the Trump campaign. Obama never thought he'd get caught, and if he did, well, President Hillary would pardon him. It is so, so sweet to see the plans gang awry. The wee beasties are cowering now.


It's interesting comparing what is really going on with what fringe websites delude people into believing. An entire worldview is constructed from half-truths and formed into a narrative that appears bulletproof from the inside. This is the same feeling I get whenever I read deep into the forums of Flat earthers or Anti-Vaxxers. From what I gather in my travel overseas, it's the same over there as well, although perhaps not as bad as the US. I have some UK friends who compare the Brexit fiasco to the US voting for Trump, for example.

We need to teach critical thinking earlier in life. Or some sort of into to philosophy and how to ground your beliefs in facts. Then again, so much of what I read appears to be emotional belief rather than rational.


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"Fair enough, 'dominated' is too strong a term, as evidenced by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakrabarti_Inquiry But I still think the general point holds that anti-Semitism these days is stronger on the political left than on the political right"
I don't quite follow - on what basis do you think that point holds ? There isn't any solid evidence that I have seen that supports that view; plenty of opinion, but little evidence.

In a thread on the perplexity caused by the Trump Presidency, it seems to me that this question of trends in anti-Semitism can help to uncover some of the emotional currents at work in politics today.
Discussing anti-Semitism is obviously a fraught and sensitive topic, especially in a context where Trump has introduced overt reactionary racism into American policy through a broader support for White Nationalism.

A key theme here is political attitudes toward cultural relativism, the idea that all cultures are equal, something only supported on the left as part of political correctness. For cultural relativism, the existence of the state of Israel is obnoxious due to Israel's rejection of equality between Jews and Arabs for existential security reasons. Conservatives tend to see Israel as a beacon of modernity in a backward region of the world, while leftists focus on the assumption of cultural equality, against which Israel's security policies are unacceptable, with progressives often tending to ignore the widespread overt Arab anti-Semitism.

The problem here is that people find it impolite to discuss cultural differences. This situation then means that false assumptions fester, while efforts to address festering problems cannot gain political traction. For example Arab illiteracy seems to have roots in Islamic culture, but the taboo on cultural criticism means this major problem is little understood or discussed.

The result is that an evidence-based theory of change cannot be widely discussed, there is wide ignorance of facts, and when people look at the Middle East they jump to the simplistic conclusion of blaming Israel. Together with the growth of simplistic socialism, the result is that anti-Semitic prejudice now finds a natural home on the political left, as seen by the discomfort of Mr Corbyn in straddling the fence of contradictions that this all produces for British Labour.

That is not to ignore the problem of right wing extremism, only to note that neo-Nazism is a tiny problem by comparison to broad cultural trends that should be analysed at the level of mass opinion. My impression is that the current cultural and political trends are pushing Jews more into alliance with conservative politics, even though 71% of American Jewish voters supported Clinton in 2016.


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Attorney General Barr's testimony in front of the US Senate today was like a burst of light in the Left's dark echo chamber. Now that the Russiagate hoax has been put to bed, he's going to find out how it started. He's also going to find out why Hillary Clinton was never charged with crimes for destroying subpoenaed evidence. Oh, what joy. Listening to him talk like that gave me one of the greatest endocrinological highs of my life. The truth will out. Happy day. And Barr's not going to bother with the follow-up visit to the House of Representatives tomorrow. Good for him. Washington wants to drag the Russia hoax on until the next election, but he won't be part of the show.

Clinton is in so much trouble. She violated the Espionage Act, among other things, so she's looking at the death penalty. If there were justice in the world then the entire Bush clan would be in the dock with her, but we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. And it's about to drop its full weight on one of the worst traitors ever to work in Washington. I mean, Clinton tried to remove a president with an Intelligence Coup. It looks as if Barr is going to make examples of the worst of the worst of the criminals, and that's good. We need to do everything possible to make sure that nobody tries another such coup in the future.

Such a good day for the truth.

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I'm not convinced by the idea of cultural relativism, it seems like a side path to a blind alley. The post-war position concerning Palestine, and the setting up of the Israeli state, has its roots in both the practical support Palestine gave to fleeing Nazis - support and succour in the first instance and, in the second instance, the arrangement of transport to Argentina - and in the international guilt following the Holocaust. That knowledge alone makes the situation intractable, which is why most countries are in favour of a two-state solution. It seems that what Trump has done is pour petrol on the embers and is now busy fanning the flames of Islamophobia because he believes that Islam equates to anti-Semitism.



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It seems to me that the “Boycott,Divestment and Sanctions movement” has more to do with this false premise of the left being the new frontier of antisemitism than Holocaust guilt or UK Labor Politics. Simply put, The Free Market Fundy’s have figured out that by declaring any criticism of Israeli Policy towards the Palestinian issue to be pure and simple antisemitism. It is the Freemarket Fundy’s version of political correctness.

It was right wingers chanting in Charlotte “Jews will not replace us” . It was not left wingers. There is no doubt about Arab antisemitism or even anti Zion demagoguery and it seems to me that those sentiments are to some degree, valued. I have not seen the case made though, that those sentiments are little if any valued by the American left.

As I pointed out earlier, we are all capitalists, the left cannot afford and I would add would not condone the overt economic social darwininism that is the driving force of the right wing free-market fundamentalist.



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I'm not convinced by the idea of cultural relativism, it seems like a side path to a blind alley.
It is useful to explore cultural relativism in relation to anti-Semitism further as a way to help explain the Trump phenomenon. Right wing voters elected Trump partly in reaction to the emergence of the ‘snowflake generation’ who seem to be constructing a fantasy world. The unfortunate result of this return to the dream of American exceptionalism is that the right wingers have produced their own fantasy with the reactionary Frankenstein in the form of President 45.

The need is to find a return to a sensible centre, in which people can celebrate success (conservative) while also having compassion for failure (progressive).

Cultural relativism, the belief that all different cultures are morally equal, has contributed to progressive politics through its roots in anthropological rejection of western cultural dominance. Some elements of cultural relativism are essential, as a way of expressing respect for non-western traditions. However, looking at American politics it seems Obama’s leftward tilt opened the space for reaction, and the result was that Trump won first the nomination and then the election by an astute pitch to the US heartland with a rejection of Obama’s legacy.

Far from being a ‘blind alley’, analysis of cultural relativism opens the problem of the nature of American patriotism. The reactionary view is that relativism expresses a widespread left wing disloyalty to the national interest.
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The post-war position concerning Palestine, and the setting up of the Israeli state, has its roots in both the practical support Palestine gave to fleeing Nazis - support and succour in the first instance and, in the second instance, the arrangement of transport to Argentina - and in the international guilt following the Holocaust. That knowledge alone makes the situation intractable, which is why most countries are in favour of a two-state solution.
I have tried to find information on Palestinians helping Nazis escape but have not found any, which surprised me as it would be a useful piece of Zionist propaganda if true. Do you have a reference?

Discussion around solutions to the Palestinian problem is far more complex than any determinism from past situations. The intractable dilemma is that Israel has the strength and friends and stability to continue to grow, while its Islamic neighbours are a mess, but this creates a dangerous arrogance on the part of Israeli settlers.
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It seems that what Trump has done is pour petrol on the embers and is now busy fanning the flames of Islamophobia because he believes that Islam equates to anti-Semitism.
The anti-Semitism that pervades the Islamic world (the Ummah) is just a part of Trump’s reasons to dislike Islam. Fear of Islam derives from the fact that the biggest terrorist outrages over the last decade have all been perpetrated by Sunni Muslims, the view that Sharia is a dangerous, intolerant, ignorant and backward belief system, that the Islamic union of church and state seems to enable dictatorships, and generally that Islam appears to be a brake on economic and social progress.

Regarding the BDS movement and anti-Semitism, two informative Wikipedia pages are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_ ... tisemitism and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism


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It looks as if Attorney General Barr is serious about investigating whether the Russiagate probe was legal. It wasn't, of course. It was part of the ongoing coup against President Trump:

Barr assigns US attorney in Connecticut to look into government surveillance involving Trump campaign
infowars.com/barr-assigns-us-attorney-i ... gn-source/

The Greatest Political Scandal in U.S. History
youtube.com/watch?v=GiM0IN2GpqU&fea ... e=youtu.be

One terrible result of the coup against Trump is the current makeup of his Cabinet. The Deep State rejected his early, patriotic nominees, and as a result he eventually had nowhere to turn but to people like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. Bolton is currently Trump's National Security Advisor and Pompeo is our Secretary of State. Both men are entrenched old Washington hawks, neo-cons of the Bush stripe, and both are currently busy trying to foment new wars around the world. They want us at war with N. Korea, Venezuela and Iran. This is all to the liking of the Democrats of course (the War Party). America is very, very close to war with Iran right now, but Americans don't know it because our leftist media is distracting us with stories about transgenderism and such.

I hope Trump is aware of what's going on with the push to war. He might be. Obama's Secretary of State John Kerry is still doing shuttle diplomacy, and the other day Trump called for him to be prosecuted under the Logan Act.

Marco Rubio calls on Barr to investigate John Kerry

...Trump said earlier this month that he would like to see the 75-year-old Kerry investigated. The Logan Act forbids unauthorized people from negotiating with foreign governments.

“What I would like to see with Iran, I would like to see them call me. John Kerry, he speaks to them a lot. John Kerry tells them not to call. That is a violation of the Logan Act. And frankly, he should be prosecuted on that,” Trump said....


washingtonexaminer.com/news/marco-rubio ... john-kerry

The ongoing coup against Trump is on the verge of spilling over the borders of the U.S. and triggering World War 3. I suppose America deserves to suffer for allowing crypto-Muslim Obama and his Marxist entourage to gum up American politics, but the rest of the world shouldn't be punished. I wish the weak-minded leftist rabble in America would wake up and stop doing the goosestep two-step for their America-hating leaders. Then perhaps Trump could help stabilize the world with the fair trade practices he's trying to implement. Like with Russia, for example. Putin is eager to get on with business:

It's time to restore US-Russia ties, Putin tells Pompeo

“As you know, just a few days ago, I had the pleasure of talking with the US president on the phone,” Putin told Pompeo on Tuesday, as the two met in Sochi. “I got the impression that the [US] president was inclined to re-establish Russian-American relations and contacts to resolve together the issues that are of mutual interest to us.”

“For our part, we have more than once said that we would also like to fully restore relations, and we hope that now the conditions for that have been met,” Putin added.


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It looks as if Attorney General Barr is serious about investigating whether the Russiagate probe was legal. It wasn't, of course.


How is an investigation illegal? Even if an investigation turns up nothing, how is it illegal? Isn't the entire purpose of an investigation to find out the truth?

The further down this road you go, the more it looks like 1984. What happens to transparency if even the act of investigating is illegal? This is bonkers.

The probe kicked off on legitimate grounds, with a legal warrant obtained with respect to someone that had Russian ties. And all throughout the Mueller report, there is evidence that collusion was attempted. There was nothing wrong with the probe, give it up.


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It looks as if Attorney General Barr is serious about investigating whether the Russiagate probe was legal. It wasn't, of course.


How is an investigation illegal? Even if an investigation turns up nothing, how is it illegal? Isn't the entire purpose of an investigation to find out the truth?

The further down this road you go, the more it looks like 1984. What happens to transparency if even the act of investigating is illegal? This is bonkers.

The probe kicked off on legitimate grounds, with a legal warrant obtained with respect to someone that had Russian ties. And all throughout the Mueller report, there is evidence that collusion was attempted. There was nothing wrong with the probe, give it up.

Not even the Attorney General is sure that the warrant obtained at the beginning of the investigation was legal. So how can you be sure?

The circumstances surrounding the granting of the first FISA warrant are crucial. The warrant was obtained based on misinformation. Atty Gen Barr wants to know if the warrant was granted solely because of the Steele dossier. Hillary Clinton and those around her paid for the dossier. And the dossier was known to be bogus before it was presented to the FISA court.

FISA shocker: DOJ official warned Steele dossier was connected to Clinton, might be biased

...The then-senior Department of Justice (DOJ) official briefed both senior FBI and DOJ officials in summer 2016 about Christopher Steele’s Russia dossier, explicitly cautioning that the British intelligence operative’s work was opposition research connected to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and might be biased.

Ohr’s briefings, in July and August 2016, included the deputy director of the FBI, a top lawyer for then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and a Justice official who later would become the top deputy to special counsel Robert Mueller.

At the time, Ohr was the associate deputy attorney general. Yet his warnings about political bias were pointedly omitted weeks later from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant that the FBI obtained from a federal court, granting it permission to spy on whether the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia to hijack the 2016 presidential election....

thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739- ... to-clinton

In any crime you first ask who benefits. In this crime (spying on Trump with an illegally obtained warrant), Clinton benefited. And since she helped pay for the fake dossier...well, things look bad for her.

Also, Atty Gen Barr wants to know why Clinton's buddy Comey didn't use his FBI to look more deeply into her illegal use of a private server while she was Sec of State. More criminal action there.

And Barr wants to know why the Obama administration didn't warn Trump and his people about "Russians" infiltrating his campaign. If the threat was there, then they should have been told. Instead, the swamp rats placed agents in the campaign to try to entrap good people. To the credit of the Trump team, nobody took the bribes, and nobody sought the proffered dirt on Clinton.

Barr just wants some answers. You should too.

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The circumstances surrounding the granting of the first FISA warrant are crucial. The warrant was obtained based on misinformation. Atty Gen Barr wants to know if the warrant was granted solely because of the Steele dossier. Hillary Clinton and those around her paid for the dossier. And the dossier was known to be bogus before it was presented to the FISA court.


You're referring to this FISA Memo?

Sure, it confirms what you're saying. But what about this memo, correcting the record, released 11 days later?

It's an elegant spin to say the Steele dossier was the primary reason the warrant was granted, in spite of the facts. The DOJ used multiple sources and had probable cause to conduct surveillance.

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Also, Atty Gen Barr wants to know why Clinton's buddy Comey didn't use his FBI to look more deeply into her illegal use of a private server while she was Sec of State. More criminal action there.


Yeah, sure. "Buddy" Comey who sent a letter to Congress on October 28, 2016 that arguably cost Clinton the election.

The rabbit holes are filled with cherries, and you appear to be picking them all the way to the bottom.


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Did not the FISA warrant acknowledge that the Steele dosier was generated by efforts of the Clinton campaign? Did the FBI need to say, further, that it might be biased? Does the possibility of bias mean that nothing the dossier contained could be followed up? I can't see how it would.

I have a nagging doubt myself, though, about the propriety of what the Clinton campaign did in ordering up the Steele dossier. Yes, I know that it was originally a Republican who started the relationship with Fusion GPS to get dirt on Trump for the primary season. But Clinton and co. took over from there. The fact that they didn't have their hands directly involved in questioning Russian sources doesn't seem to me all that exculpatory. I don't think they should have taken the action; it was out of bounds even if not illegal. It was a matter for law enforcement.



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The Deep State swamp creatures in DC are fortunate that Barr is looking into Spygate. The situation warrants a Special Prosecutor (Russiagate didn't warrant one, but an attempted coup against a president certainly does). Instead of a Special Prosecutor with far-reaching and nearly unlimited power, the swamp creatures get a mere Dept of Justice investigation. And the head of it, Atty Gen Barr, has set some pretty narrow parameters for himself. He merely wants to find out if the investigation into Russiagate was begun legally or illegally. Oh, and he wants to know why the head of the FBI didn't look at Hillary Clinton's servers. Reasonable enough.

A couple articles of interest. Four FISA warrants were issued during the Russiagate coup against Trump. The last 3 were illegal. The question now is whether the first one was illegal. And look at the FBI's sting operation against a Trump supporter:

IG Horowitz Has 'Concluded that the Final Three FISA Extensions Were Illegally Obtained,' diGenova Says

...On Thursday, Solomon reported that newly unearthed memos show that a high-ranking government official from the Obama State Department met with former British spy Christopher Steele in October of 2016, and figured out pretty quickly that his dossier was a political hit job intended to slime Donald Trump on behalf of Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

The written account of Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec’s Oct. 11, 2016, meeting with Steele also shows that Steele admitted that his research was "political and facing an Election Day deadline," according to Solomon.

DiGenova said the inspector general was unaware of the memos, which were obtained last week through open-records litigation by the conservative group Citizens United.

"The Bureau hid those memos from Horowitz. As a result of that, they are doing some additional work on the first FISA," diGenova explained, adding: "It may be that all four FISAs will have been obtained illegally."

pjmedia.com/video/digenova-ig-horowitz- ... -obtained/



FBI Used Suitcase Stuffed With Cash During Papadopoulos Sting

...According to Toensing, Papa-D was vacationing with his then-fiance, Simona Mangiante, in Greece when he was approached by someone who was supposedly impressed with his credentials, and said he wanted to do business with him. The individual allegedly talked the then-29-year-old into traveling to Israel to make a deal, and invited him to his hotel room.

“And there on the bed, is $10,000 in cash in a suitcase,” she continued. Papadopoulos took the money and gave it to his lawyer, who has it still.

Toensing said when Papadopoulos returned to the United States, he was greeted by FBI agents at Dulles Airport and they started searching through everything that he had “the second he landed.”

She added, “in fact, they already had his baggage from the plane. He couldn’t believe they had his baggage.”

“It was a set up!” exclaimed Gorka.

“It was a complete set up,” agreed Toensing.

DiGenova explained that the Feds already knew that he hadn’t declared that he had $10,000 and were expecting to find the undeclared cash so they could arrest him and “put the thumbscrews on and make him squeal,” as Gorka put it.

Worst of all, according to Toensing, “one of the FBI agents said to him, ‘this is what happens when you work for Donald Trump.'”

Papadopoulos tweeted that he would like to see Congress investigate the money. “They are marked bills. They remain with my lawyer in Athens,” he said....

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