Facebook Logic

DB Roy · Unread post Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:28 pm

I also agree the meme thing is out of control at FB. The flat-earthers post memes of quotes from famous scientists that support the flat earth and everybody knows they are made up quotes. There's no context for quotes in memes so who knows what anybody meant even if they really did say it. I wish they had a filter so that any response with a meme won't get posted on a thread you started.

Murmur · Unread post Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:55 pm

Interbane wrote: I can't be the only person who's experiencing this. Is anyone else in the same boat?

Yes.

pino2010 · Unread post Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:08 am

Interbane wrote:I'm coming to understand more fully the emotional aspect of confirmation bias. Every meme that supports one side's position seems to elicit a "GOOOOOAL" reaction. People cheer for it and celebrate it. It's all emotion, zero reason.

Appears that most via web-based networking media haven't attempted to apply any basic reasoning. Despite the fact that I recollect that segment having being featured and intense in the course books.

I was in those classes with them, so I realize they read that part as well.

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Unread post Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:40 am

The new non-fiction poll is up.

Litwitlou · Unread post Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:55 pm

DB Roy wrote:
What an embarrassment. They don't read anything!! They skim the first sentence and fire off a response. That's it! They don't read. There's no attempt at balance or to be informed. It's all about responding. The response is everything. If this was just a few people doing this, okay, but this was virtually every person who responded. NOBODY reads what you post. They don't read it. They just want to respond to what they GUESS you wrote. In my case, it was only a half-dozen sentences to read the entire post but that's too much. Three sentences is too much. Facebook is horrible.

It's not Facebook. It's not the Fox News comments site. It's not Twitter. This idiocy began long ago as exemplified by our best and brightest (ahem).

"Bruce Springsteen’s first notable involvement in political campaigns came after Washington Post columnist George Will saw him play in August 1984. Following the gig, Will wrote a column where he described “Born in the USA” as a song of “cheerful affirmation”.

Two weeks later, the Reagan campaign adopted the song as their campaign anthem, seeming to ignore or to be unaware of Springsteen’s real message, which was to paint a dark picture of the hardship Vietnam veterans faced upon returning to America."

neatorama.com/2012/11/13/The-Most-Misun ... n-History/

Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up

Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man said "son if it was up to me"
Went down to see my V.A. man
He said "son, don't you understand"

I had a brother at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone

He had a woman he loved in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go

Unread post Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:17 pm

What is deemed newsworthy today, in the social media era, seems increasingly tied to how "viral" it has become. Case in point: someone posted a photo of a white kid wearing a MAGA hat "smirking" in the face of a Native American protester outside the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. Suddenly the whole internet is in an uproar, people becoming enraged at the racist white kid taunting a Native American or (insert your own narrative here). Then as more details emerge, a "fuller and more complicated picture" of the incident emerges.

In other words, the "news" is how everyone has overreacted to an item that wasn't really news in the first place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/us/n ... ngton.html

And now I'm seeing in USAToday that social media is in an uproar again, but now because NBC news host Savannah Guthrie had the gall to interview the white kid in question. She owes America an apology!

The problem here seems to be the instantaneous nature of the internet. We react before getting all the facts. Just another reason to not waste time with social media. Above all, don't react based on partial information.

DWill · Unread post Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:47 am

We have "slow" movements of different kinds--food, gardening, cinema, you name it, and even an institute on slowness! That's what I thought of when reading your post, because social media is the fast medium nonpareil, with mainstream news not far behind. I picked up a journal in a coffee shop with the wonderful title Delayed Gratification, billing itself as "the last to breaking news." Thinking of the last "bombshell" revelation about the Trump investigation, from Buzzfeed, I wish the media had taken a deep breath and just waited a day or two. Instead, we had reporters going out to Democrats for a reaction to this single report of skullduggery, giving the politicians a chance to say, "If this is true, we will investigate, and if confirmed this is an impeachable offense!" All of it was unnecessary. The collateral damage is to strengthen the conviction of Trump supporters that the prez is being shafted by the media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_movement_(culture)

Unread post Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:06 am

This seems to me just another argument for critical thinking, but that has to come from the ground up, not top down. People have to want to think about thinking and be aware of the prejudices and biases that sabotage rational thinking. The Transcendentalists' philosophy of self reliance seems to me as timely as ever in these crazy days. How can we get our citizens to want to learn and to improve themselves?

By the way, DWill, I saw your recent post about Thoreau's Walden[/], and it inspired me to pick up a copy at a used book store. A large, annotated version. I'll be reading it very soon.

DWill · Unread post Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:10 am

geo wrote:This seems to me just another argument for critical thinking, but that has to come from the ground up, not top down. People have to want to think about thinking and be aware of the prejudices and biases that sabotage rational thinking. The Transcendentalists' philosophy of self reliance seems to me as timely as ever in these crazy days. How can we get our citizens to want to learn and to improve themselves?

By the way, DWill, I saw your recent post about Thoreau's Walden[/], and it inspired me to pick up a copy at a used book store. A large, annotated version. I'll be reading it very soon.

I've never read an annotated version of Walden. There are certainly a great many allusions and references that can be annotated. I don't know if you remember way back, about 10 years ago, there was a person called I think Thomas Hood. We began to read Walden, which Thomas considered a very difficult book. I thought his claims about symbolism were way out there. The fact is, Walden is anything but a difficult book. I love the writing most of all its qualities. I'm frankly not sure if I'd like to read a footnoted version.

A while back, I listened to some of an audio book of Walden. The narrator read with an emphatic tone, as if everything Thoreau said was a claim of some kind. I always heard a more meditative voice when I read it, even though I have to admit that Thoreau does hector a good deal in the beginning. I quit the audio book.

The newest biography of HDT by Laura Dassow Walls gave me a new perspective on him. He was a lot more socially involved than I had always assumed. He also was very much the professional writer and worked at it tirelessly.

I went back and read again the writings about Maine that are collected as The Maine Woods. Those are very enjoyable, too. His first book, A Week on the Concord and Merrimack is a trudge at times, overly long and digressive. But it has some superb passages that show why Thoreau is one of our prose masters.

It's ironic that Thoreau was so much in the shadow of Emerson throughout his life. Few people read Emerson today, while Thoreau has lasted.

Unread post Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:23 pm

Thanks, DWill,

This is the version I bought.

https://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Walden ... +van+doren

The first 136 pages contains biographical information and a detailed chronology of Thoreau's life. The rest of the book contains the annotated Walden and Civil Disobedience. The annotations are printed side by side with the actual text, so the reader can easily consult the footnotes while reading. I haven't read Walden, but this volume seems a good way to dive right in.

I would certainly participate in a new discussion of Walden. I'm sorry I missed it last time around.

On a grander level, I'm kind of fascinated with themes of self reliance and improvement, traditionally espoused by our founding fathers and, later, the "Transcendentalists." I'm probably falling into the age-old bias of believing that things are going to shit. Then again, think of a modern day "man cave"--where we watch football and play video games; the focus is on entertaining ourselves. Whereas, the "man cave" of yesteryear might very well be a library of books, in which the focus is learning. If democracy depends on an informed citizenry, we seem to be drifting into a society where ignorance and fatuousness is more of a commodity than progressive values and reason. Ah, you see what I did there? I brought us back to Facebook.

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