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Because of John McCain, American POWs still in captivity never made it home from Vietnam. I don’t expect the families of those men lamented his passing. I can’t think of any senator in my lifetime who was as foul as McCain, except maybe Luciferian Robert Byrd. Feinstein got outed last month for employing a ChiCom spy for 20 years. Hillary Clinton’s global human trafficking business is bottom-of-the barrel stuff. But McCain and Byrd served for so long, they did incalculable damage to the US, the world and humanity.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, draining the swamp.

Ross Perot offered to try, but the CIA/Bush machine threatened his family:

THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: The Overview; PEROT SAYS HE QUIT IN JULY TO THWART G.O.P. 'DIRTY TRICKS'
nytimes.com/1992/10/26/us/1992-campaign ... ricks.html

Perot would have won. As an independent he was polling at 23% early on. He was supposed to siphon votes away from G.H.W. Bush so that Bush’s lieutenant Bill Clinton could win a believable victory, but Americans didn’t want Bush OR Clinton. And then in the debates Perot accurately pointed out that the NAFTA trade agreement would be bad for America. It would create a “giant sucking sound” as jobs went from America to Mexico. Those jobs DID go to Mexico, and then ten years later they went to China. Mexico wasn’t too happy about that. But now Trump has done away with NAFTA and is working out trade alliances with Mexico and perhaps Canada, if Leftist poseur Trudeau can pull his head out.

Trump is being savaged especially hard right now because the people who own the world are losing control. Britain doesn’t want any stinkin’ re-vote on Brexit, thank you very much, and nationalist movements are popping up everywhere. Even Chinese nationals who’ve come to America with assignments to further the ChiCom agenda are straying off the ideological farm. China’s going to start blasting ChiCom propaganda, in Chinese, into the US:

Mexican Radio to Beam Chinese Propaganda
freebeacon.com/national-security/mexica ... ropaganda/

Big Tech is banning conservatives from social media platforms and skewing search results:

COLLUSION: 96% of Google Search Results for ‘Trump’ News Are from Liberal Media Outlets
drrichswier.com/2018/08/28/96-of-google ... a-outlets/

SHOCK STUDY: Facebook Has Eliminated 93% of Traffic to Top Conservative Websites Since 2016 Election
thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/shock-stud ... -election/

Of course, this censorship has been going on for a while, and not just with conservatives. A year ago there was an assault against leftist sites:

Google’s new search protocol is restricting access to 13 leading socialist, progressive and anti-war web sites
wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/02/pers-a0 ... s-a02.html

If you challenge the power structure in Washington DC, you get harassed. I suspect that, after the upcoming US mid-term elections, Republicans and Democrats will come together in Washington for the sake of “internet protection.” They’ll tell us that they’re giving us an internet Bill of Rights but in reality it will be a Bill of Mights--you might be allowed on the internet if you don’t criticize the government.

The election...

Here’s some old footage of traditional Democratic polling place behavior:

Democrats Busted On Camera Stuffing Ballot Boxes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMApxAZtmhk

Nowadays the Dems are running a lot of spooks and spies for office:

Elissa Slotkin: A CIA Democrat runs for Congress in Michigan
wsws.org/en/articles/2018/09/01/slot-s0 ... t-s01.html

We have a state politician in Texas, David Dewhurst, who once helped a general named Suárez seize power in Bolivia. Dewhurst was with the CIA at the time and he worked with Klaus Barbie, a Nazi known as the Butcher of Lyon. Barbie had escaped to Bolivia and was an enforcer there. Dewhurst later had the gall to tout his CIA record while running for office.

And now the swamp full of spooks and spies is arrayed against Trump. I know that they want to utterly destroy him so that no independent ever seeks the presidency again, but it seems that there’s something else going on as well. The audio below talks about how Trump is preparing America for a financial re-set--one similar to the US switching to the petro-dollar in the 70’s. The War Party in Washington wants to continue the same ol same ol of bludgeoning the rest of the world into compliance, but that's no longer an option. Washington has bled the American middle class dry of tax dollars. So America can’t be the world’s policemen anymore. Trump and sensible politicians know this, and they’re prepping the US for a change. Interesting listening:

We Are Witnessing The Nation Being Prepared For A New Economic System - Episode 1652a
youtube.com/watch?v=qLM1o-Ncqok&fea ... e=youtu.be

But meanwhile, instead of doing something positive, anti-Trumpists work against the country. Carl Bernstein was a freakin’ Pulitzer Prize winner, but now he’s reduced to lying about Trump for a living:

BOMBSHELL: Watergate legend Carl Bernstein caught in massive fake news LIE and cover-up
investmentwatchblog.com/bombshell-water ... -cover-up/

And then there are your run-of-the-mill libtards. This guy offers his daughter a hundred bucks to knock a man’s Trump cap off his head. And then he films the event. He commits child abuse, offers his daughter inducement to commit an assault and battery, and then he films it. And he posts the video. I can’t imagine any adult thinking that is all right:

Dad Dares Daughter To Knock Off Dude's MAGA Hat For 100 Bucks!
youtube.com/watch?v=-c4jTgmTHcg&fea ... e=youtu.be

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Democrats Busted On Camera Stuffing Ballot Boxes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMApxAZtmhk

That is an old video that has been debunked many, many times, even in the comments below the video. Notice the prominent Russian flag in the 2nd sequence at 0:50 labelled "Pennsylvania." Keep it up with the shoddy work, crappy sourcing, and bad info...



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It must be interesting to live in a world populated by beasts such as "CIA Democrat".

I feel better at least having some idea who KindaSkolarly thinks is a good candidate. I can't tell you how great it would be, IMO, to replace POTUS 45 with Ross Perot. Superficially similar, but not even close when you get into the details. Not that either one would make a good president, but Perot had a lot more understanding and a lot more focused message, not to mention an absence of mental illness.



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Trump is being savaged especially hard right now because the people who own the world are losing control.


Trump is being savaged because he has the mind of an 8 year old and is severely unfit to be president. The man is a moron. That isn't a political statement. He's truly stupid.


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So, if Trump is so stupid, how come he won a presidential election? He had to fight the Democrats, the Washington bureaucracy, the mainstream news media, AND the Republicans in order to win. He didn’t have teams of slick advisers and analysts either. As a matter of fact he changed his team every few weeks. And then Obama planted FBI moles in his campaign. Every possible impediment was set in Trump’s path, but he won anyway. And now the people who backed the loser are determined to make Trump fail, even at the cost of their own freedoms and safety. The Losers are asking for an end to borders, so that murderous drug gangs will be able to waltz into the country. And the Losers want limits imposed on their own free speech. I find it really, really ironic that the Losers would call ANYBODY stupid.

What else? It looks as if WW3 is about to kick off in Syria. It may be initiated with a 9/11-type event. There are some eerie parallels between then and now. Leftist billionaires are desperately trying to silence conservative voices on the internet at the moment, in the way that Arabs were silenced just before 9/11:

US pulls the plug on Muslim websites
Mon 10 Sep 2001
theguardian.com/technology/2001/sep/10/ ... lddispatch

While I’m on 9/11, the anniversary was yesterday. The guy in the video below says you’re either a fool, a tool or a coward if you promote the official version of what happened on Sept 11, 2001:

Nine Eleven IS the Litmus Test
youtube.com/watch?v=tXnQoFeVQII&fea ... e=youtu.be

And getting back to Trump’s intelligence, the analysis of current affairs in the audio report below is rather fascinating. Not very long, a 17-minute listen:

It's All Being Coordinated At The Same Time To Transition The Country - Episode 1661a
youtube.com/watch?v=ruOv_EssrYA&fea ... e=youtu.be

He says that Trump’s tariffs, withdrawal from trade agreements and so on are moves calculated to make sure America has some manufacturing ability when the global economy crashes. And increased interest rates by the Federal Reserve over the next few weeks will only hasten the collapse. So a collapse is inevitable, but who will be blamed? Well, the other day Obama came out and took credit for America’s currently booming economy. This analyst says that Trump tricked him into doing that. When the crash comes, people will remember Obama shooting his mouth off about his economic policies. Trump will be able to blame him. But getting back to the Federal Reserve...it is a collection of private banks that prints money to lend to the US Treasury, at interest. The Fed is also the primary paymaster for Deep State intelligence agencies like the CIA. If Trump can force an economic re-set with his policies, the Fed will be destroyed in the process (thus fulfilling one of his campaign promises). The Deep State will then have to go through congress for funding, and we’ll have transparency.

The big event coming up could be Trump’s assassination. JFK fought the Fed (issued silver certificates in competition with Federal Reserve Notes), and he was moving to shut down the CIA as we know it. So he was killed. Trump may already be targeted.

Since I'm going through old bookmarks, somebody may find this one interesting:

FARRAKHAN Exposes ROTHSCHILD Bankers / Banksters and their NEW WORLD ORDER Agenda
youtube.com/watch?v=K4sKZAIaDhw&fea ... e=youtu.be

Not sure where the video leads (only watched the first five minutes), but in those five minutes Farrakhan perfectly explains the purpose and the history of the Rothschild banking scam. If Trump can destroy the Rothschild/Warburg central bank in America, it will be the greatest political achievement in modern American history.


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OMG, I suppose I should have assumed the crazy belief in 9/11 being an inside job, but might have held out hope of some rationality. And you seem to be right there with the international conspiracy by the Jews.



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So, if Trump is so stupid, how come he won a presidential election?


His stupidity isn't in question. He's stupid.

The question that's raised is, how did we come to a point where we managed to elect a moron to the office of president? What has gone so wrong in our society that people are blind to the idiocy of the candidate they voted for?

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He says that Trump’s tariffs, withdrawal from trade agreements and so on are moves calculated to make sure America has some manufacturing ability when the global economy crashes.


Hahaha! As if he could form such a coherent thought. It may come to pass that we're better prepared for a global economic collapse because of his tariffs. But if you think that's part of Trump's plan you're drinking too much Kool Aid. The man doesn't think beyond his shoelaces.


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So, if Trump is so stupid, how come he won a presidential election?


His stupidity isn't in question. He's stupid.

The question that's raised is, how did we come to a point where we managed to elect a moron to the office of president? What has gone so wrong in our society that people are blind to the idiocy of the candidate they voted for?

I think it's tough to casually dismiss Trump as stupid without also acknowledging that he is "smart"—at least in some arenas. Trump became the Republican nominee, beating the other 16 major candidates. And then he won the presidency, beating Hillary Clinton, a seasoned and intelligent politician. So how did Trump beat all odds and become POTUS, despite having a sketchy understanding of facts and demonstrating a lack of gravitas and dignity? He must have been "smart" on some level, through sheer defiance and belligerence to the extent that he resonated with voters.

And despite all the chaos of his administration, Trump can claim several accomplishments, such as cutting taxes, and improving the environment for businesses and corporations. We don't all agree these are accomplishments, but they are from a conservative perspective.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ng/535458/

I do wonder what Trump's IQ is. I would suspect it's very low. And, yet, he remains popular with his base. And he's very good at putting himself at the front and center of every controversy. His name splashes the front pages of every newspaper. He taps into a virulent tide of anti-reason, and anti-establishment that now defines the alt-right movement. This is not the usual kind of "intelligence" that we typically ascribe to knowledge and understanding of facts, but from the perspective of forwarding the conservative agenda, Trump has been very successful and, thus, "intelligent" in his own way—at least for the time being.

The only litmus test that really matters is this: will America be better or worse after Trump? The measure of success must ultimately be determined from the distance of time, looking back, from some years in the future. How will the Trump administration look in ten or twenty years? Will America's reputation be irreparably damaged on the world stage? Where will Trump's tariff war put our economy in five or ten or twenty years? And will this tide of anti-reason be stopped or stoked by the Trump era? Only time will tell.

I would argue that Trump's ignorance, and the tide of anti-rationality that put him in power, will ultimately hurt America. Knowledge and facts do matter. And though Trump may be accomplished in some areas, such as putting himself front and center of everything, and getting his base fired up, will ultimately be detriment to our values and American sensibilities that made our democracy the most successful political system ever created. It may also be true that America's democracy is already so diseased that Trump and his minions are nothing more than a symptom of a larger problem. A depressing thought to be sure.


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I do wonder what Trump's IQ is. I would suspect it's very low.



No, this is wrong.

His IQ is not low. It's his emotional intelligence that is apparently low.

He's a graduate of Wharton School of Business. The very same school people like Elon Musk and Warren Buffett attended.



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Trump is being savaged especially hard right now because the people who own the world are losing control.


Trump is being savaged because he has the mind of an 8 year old and is severely unfit to be president. The man is a moron. That isn't a political statement. He's truly stupid.



I would have thought you'd admire his real estate empire buidling accomplishments that obviously are not due to stupidity, being the spiritual materialist that you are.



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I would have thought you'd admire his real estate empire buidling accomplishments that obviously are not due to stupidity, being the spiritual materialist that you are.


I think his real estate empire is the ideal example of how you don't need to be smart to make it rich. Some handouts from daddy and a dunning-kruger narcissism are enough.

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He's a graduate of Wharton School of Business. The very same school people like Elon Musk and Warren Buffett attended.


He went the undergraduate program, not the MBA program. They are very different, and unlike the MBA program at Wharton, there's nothing special about the undergrad program. And he didn't even graduate near the top of his class as he claimed.


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how did Trump beat all odds and become POTUS, despite having a sketchy understanding of facts and demonstrating a lack of gravitas and dignity? He must have been "smart" on some level, through sheer defiance and belligerence to the extent that he resonated with voters.
My reading is that the Republican conservative base who supported Trump through the primaries feared that Clinton would have won against any of the other Republican candidates, as they believed that those moderate candidates would have failed to fire up the base in the way Trump did through extreme partisan rhetoric.

Politics is fundamentally tribal. The two tribes in the USA are essentially the Republicans and the Democrats. The dislike that conservatives feel for the social values of the Democrats is quite intense, with the alt-right attitude of disdain for RINOs creating deep suspicion towards moderation and compromise.


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My reading is that the Republican conservative base who supported Trump through the primaries feared that Clinton would have won against any of the other Republican candidates, as they believed that those moderate candidates would have failed to fire up the base in the way Trump did through extreme partisan rhetoric.

Politics is fundamentally tribal. The two tribes in the USA are essentially the Republicans and the Democrats. The dislike that conservatives feel for the social values of the Democrats is quite intense, with the alt-right attitude of disdain for RINOs creating deep suspicion towards moderation and compromise.

It wasn't primarily party people who brought the energy to Trump's primary campaign. That large group of disaffected voters wasn't much more enamored of the Republican party than of the Democratic. That is one reason why Trump's own shifting party affiliation didn't matter to his base and why his base enjoyed seeing Trump give the finger to the establishment types. I don't think his core voters calculated that Trump had to be the one, or else Clinton was sure to beat the mainstreamers. They were probably wrong if they did, since it seems likely to me that Trump would also have beaten any of the other Republicans. I remember hearing that Democrats were joyful at the prospect of Trump winning the nomination, as it meant easy victory for Clinton. They would have been more anxious about Rubio, Bush, Kasich, and even Cruz.

Were social values crucial in the election? Trump himself is not an exemplar of traditional values, and in the past he has even espoused liberal views on abortion and homosexuality. He did very wisely calculate that by promising to nominate conservative SC judges (i.e., ones who would weaken abortion rights and support "religious liberty"), he would get the evangelical block, without which he would have lost decisively. He also brought in "the war on Christmas," but I believe that even his base was not too incensed about that one. But the biggest part of his appeal, his nativist/nationalist message, doesn't reduce in my mind to things we categorize as social values. That appeal is quite visceral, and it "trumped" any appeal Clinton was able to come up with.



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No, this is wrong.

His IQ is not low. It's his emotional intelligence that is apparently low.

This is a good point. It could be that Trump has a relatively high IQ, but is brought down by a low emotional intelligence. Or perhaps his overall intelligence is crippled by narcissisitic personality disorder. or whatever else is going on with him.

Of course this is all speculation. But I'm thinking of his recent spectacle in Helsinki, when Trump basically sided with Putin over American intelligence in connection with the known Russian influence in our elections. It's difficult to understand how Trump could be so naive on one hand and, on the other, be so completely oblivious to the consequences of taking this stance on the public stage. It reveals an astonishing lack of judgment and, well, stupidity. This is just one of many examples that show Trump's basic lack of ability to reason.

Trump also shows a proclivity towards conspiracy thinking. For example, on the campaign trail, he said he believed that vaccinations cause autism, a thought that he has expressed in years past. It shows that once a thought comes to him, he has very little impetus to reflect on it or look for corroborating evidence to support it. There's no insight and a high level of arrogance which ultimately makes him a very stupid man, even if he has achieved remarkable success in some arenas, such as reality TV or getting elected president.

It could be that IQ and EI are decent measures of intelligence for most people. But that Trump suffers from some huge cognitive deficiency that makes him a poor subject for such measurements. Given his lack of analytical reasoning skills, I doubt that he would perform well on an IQ test. It would be very interesting to see those results though, just as it would be interesting to see an analysis of his financial empire. Trump's own statements of greatness for both are highly suspect.


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It wasn't primarily party people who brought the energy to Trump's primary campaign. That large group of disaffected voters wasn't much more enamored of the Republican party than of the Democratic.
Really? My impression is that Trump voters hate the Democrats with passion, while they see the Republican Party as having potential to wage culture war on their behalf if its moderate leadership can be corralled by an extremist.
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That is one reason why Trump's own shifting party affiliation didn't matter to his base and why his base enjoyed seeing Trump give the finger to the establishment types.
Trump could not have won with any affiliation other than Republican. Conservatives were willing to forgive Trump’s past flirtation with the Democrats as a piece of youthful exuberance, recognising that only the Republicans could be acquired to mobilise a red state majority grounded in their perceived real America.
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I don't think his core voters calculated that Trump had to be the one, or else Clinton was sure to beat the mainstreamers. They were probably wrong if they did, since it seems likely to me that Trump would also have beaten any of the other Republicans.
What does that mean? No other Republicans could stand for President without the nomination. My point here was that anyone other than Trump would have ended up with a lacklustre Republican campaign, without the balls to say build the wall or put her in jail. I recall the look of astonishment in Clinton’s eyes in that first debate when Trump showed he had torn up the rule book of politeness and respect. Clinton would definitely have beaten anyone other than Trump.
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I remember hearing that Democrats were joyful at the prospect of Trump winning the nomination, as it meant easy victory for Clinton. They would have been more anxious about Rubio, Bush, Kasich, and even Cruz.
Ha ha more fool them. Trump completely wrong-footed the Democrat strategists. They regarded him and his voters with contempt while ignoring the Electoral College voting numbers from Wisconsin.
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Were social values crucial in the election? Trump himself is not an exemplar of traditional values, and in the past he has even espoused liberal views on abortion and homosexuality.
Clinton made social values central by saying she deplored conservatives, indicating her acceptance of the sneering big city liberalism that sees traditional families as losers rather than social bedrock. My own view is that abortion should be legal, but that the emotional assertion that abortion is not a moral issue and is only a private matter for the mother deserves more debate. Similarly with homosexuality, there is an unstated subtext in gay marriage advocacy that bringing children into the world is immoral so barren relationships are morally superior to traditional families.
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He did very wisely calculate that by promising to nominate conservative SC judges (i.e., ones who would weaken abortion rights and support "religious liberty"), he would get the evangelical block, without which he would have lost decisively.
You make that sound like a tangent, when in fact it is widely recognised as the core issue. Kavanaugh’s alleged fumbling teenage party antics just show the extreme desperation the Democrats are bringing to stopping this nomination.
DWill wrote:
He also brought in "the war on Christmas," but I believe that even his base was not too incensed about that one.
The secular commercial mentality that sees Christmas as only about presents and parties rather than family relationships is a key target for evangelical morality.
DWill wrote:
But the biggest part of his appeal, his nativist/nationalist message, doesn't reduce in my mind to things we categorize as social values. That appeal is quite visceral, and it "trumped" any appeal Clinton was able to come up with.
Yes, it is about the feeling that traditional American culture with roots in local community has been displaced by a globalised cosmopolitan elite. That is much the same culture clash that gave rise to Hitler.


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