Online reading group and book discussion forum
  HOME ENTER FORUMS OUR BOOKS LINKS DONATE ADVERTISE CONTACT  
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:01 am





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates 
Author Message
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 743
Location: Florida
Thanks: 270
Thanked: 421 times in 329 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-scho ... /index.htm

This news sickens me and I'm curious as to why it hasn't been mentioned here. Turns out this most recent mass killer was a white secessionist.

A moral question? Is this a solution? congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate ... e-bill/446

I'm a gun owner, I'm from a family of gun owners. In the U.S. I think the statistic is that about one half of American house holds possess a fire arm.

I'm trying to think where I want to go with this...I think that first and foremost we can no longer accept the idea that guns are not an issue that needs to be dealt with, guns are no doubt a problem. We can debate mental illness but It has to in my opinion take a back seat to the sheer numbers of guns in this country. Something like 300 million fire arms are now floating around the United States...No one can honestly claim that the answer is more guns. In fact the only fatheads making the claims that more guns or more gun toting security agents are the only safe bet are these fathead republicans.



Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:21 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 743
Location: Florida
Thanks: 270
Thanked: 421 times in 329 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
I don't let myself off the hook here. By my past voting patterns I have encouraged these fatheads to do the things they are currently up to.
No honest discussion can exclude the second amendment. Is it possible to tweak the right to bear arms? . Do we need to tweak the right to bear arms? Has not a history of gun regulation not been part of the growth of the U.S.? This country has a history of gun violence,(the Boston Massacre come readily to mind).

The gun control debate is insidious. As we sit in front of television screens watching ghastly details of the latest massacre the congress of the U.S.(controlled by the Republican party) is about to usurp the very states rights agenda they so often claim to be preserving. (what a load of shit is today's GOP).



Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:42 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 743
Location: Florida
Thanks: 270
Thanked: 421 times in 329 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
This is not an answer, in fact it is creepy and suspicious.nationalreview.com/corner/456460/florid ... m-teachers.
Again the rightwing neo-fascist, free-market fundy, social Darwinistic, global warming denialist are just a bit outside. Lets make schools a potential free fire zone. Here's an idea, lets carry GOP logic to the bitter end...lets just arm all kids going to school, if an ibook is required why not a glock?.



Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:34 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
pets endangered by possible book avalanche

BookTalk.org Moderator
Platinum Contributor

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4305
Location: NC
Thanks: 1792
Thanked: 1856 times in 1402 posts
Gender: Male

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
Taylor wrote:
No honest discussion can exclude the second amendment. Is it possible to tweak the right to bear arms? .

Good post, Taylor. Unfortunately the conversation about gun control has long been influenced by a pro-gun culture that is extremely irrational. The AR-15, which was used in the most recent school shooting, is marketed as a hobby gun. The New York Times reported that in Florida they are easier to buy than handguns. That's a crazy amount of firepower that ordinary people can just go out and buy.

Under the National Firearms Act, destructive weapons like bazookas require registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. To own such a weapon you have to submit an application, a set of fingerprints, a photograph of yourself, and a $200 payment, and BATFE may take up to six months or more to approve your first application. Why couldn't we do something like that with assault rifles? Assault rifles are not used for hunting and they are even more destructive than bazookas. They should be lumped into the same category as bazookas.


_________________
-Geo
Question everything


The following user would like to thank geo for this post:
Taylor
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:33 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 743
Location: Florida
Thanks: 270
Thanked: 421 times in 329 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
geo wrote:
Assault rifles are not used for hunting and they are even more destructive than bazookas. They should be lumped into the same category as bazookas.


Thanks Geo: I agree hole heartedly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_submachine_gun

These two links provide pretty good info on why this country is very comfortable with gun control laws, and more importantly we have always been secure in restricting what is our right to bear. The second amendment is not so sacred that reinterpretation should be out of the question, in fact, leaving aside my current animosity towards the GOP at the present (remember, I used to be one of them) If tweaking the second amendment is what's necessary for an update to gun laws. In other words, If somehow...the second amendment, as it is currently written, is what is preventing those wonderful republicans from being able to pass, some truly meaningful updated gun laws, then with their majority and their superior thoughtfulness they should be more than up to the task.

Right now, at this crucial moment in the history of the United States the GOP is going to drop the ball, their whole ideology is a copout. They have the unmitigated gall to finger point at notions of gun free zones as being ineffectual, that conservative gun laws are backward thinking and that nationally we need a more liberal approach.



Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:45 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 5655
Location: Canberra
Thanks: 2142
Thanked: 2077 times in 1573 posts
Gender: Male
Country: Australia (au)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
Australians look at America's gun problem as a cultural insanity. When we had a crazed massacre with an assault rifle in 1995 our federal government just banned ownership of them, without at all hindering the rights of those who have good reason to own guns. Your problem is not the second amendment, which any sane reading should see as making gun ownership conditional on involvement in a well-regulated militia. It is the metaphysics, that guns are a magical talisman of liberty and restriction of government intrusion, a symbol of America's pioneer frontier fantasy identity.


_________________
http://rtulip.net


The following user would like to thank Robert Tulip for this post:
Chris OConnor, LevV, Taylor
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:39 pm
Profile Email WWW
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 743
Location: Florida
Thanks: 270
Thanked: 421 times in 329 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
Robert Tulip wrote:
It is the metaphysics, that guns are a magical talisman of liberty and restriction of government intrusion, a symbol of America's pioneer frontier fantasy identity.


Exactly this.



Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:22 pm
Profile Email
Years of membership
Junior

Silver Contributor

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 310
Location: New Jersey
Thanks: 146
Thanked: 138 times in 109 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
.
.
Why can't we start with the easy part? If you're a felon, no gun for you. If you've been treated for a mental illness, no gun for you. It was no secret this latest shooter had been in treatment. Many people knew he had guns. No one did anything. How about an anonymous letter to the police: "This man is mentally ill, has made threats on his web page, and owns guns."

I'm not asking for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment, just a little common sense.


_________________
In our country the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State.
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:34 am
Profile Email
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon


Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 745
Thanks: 33
Thanked: 404 times in 320 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
With conservatives in charge, nothing is going to change. They are in tight with the gun lobby/NRA who have actually convinced Americans that gun ownership is not just a constitutional right but a god-given one. You hear these people talk: "God, guts and guns are what made this country great!" They spend all their time cutting programs to save money and the first thing to go are mental health programs. Trump just slashed a bunch of that. Then when a massacre happens, instead having the courage to do something about guns, they start carping about the need for better mental health screening and treatment. Hard to do when you're cutting the programs, people. But as soon as the hullabaloo dies down, they do nothing about the mental health thing and nothing about gun ownership. And this is how it will play out up to the next massacre which will probably be in no more than two months time.

It worked like clockwork on this last one. Some kid kills 17 people and right off the bat there goes Trump yacking about mental health but nothing about gun control. And as soon as the public loses interest, the whole thing will start up again. It is largely the public's fault for losing interest. We just let this happen again and again. Then we say something should be done, then we vote the bastards back in who have trying to arm every single person in this country to the teeth. We don't really care. "As long as it ain't my kids gettin' killed!" Already Alex Jones is saying it was a democrat fake incident with crisis actors. We let assholes like this run rampant on the air when they should be shut down and thrown in prison indefinitely. We call this freedom of speech. So I guess yelling fire in a crowded theater is now free speech. If people get trampled to death, they were merely crisis actors in a faked, scripted drama. Alex Jones has more rights to spew false, hateful garbage than the people he victimizes--the families of those killed in these incidents.

This is America. And that's why I no longer have faith in it and don't believe this country can save itself. We're too stupid and selfish. I guess we deserve it.



Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:55 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 5655
Location: Canberra
Thanks: 2142
Thanked: 2077 times in 1573 posts
Gender: Male
Country: Australia (au)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/17/us/f ... index.html

Florida student Emma Gonzalez to lawmakers and gun advocates: 'We call BS'


_________________
http://rtulip.net


Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:54 am
Profile Email WWW
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Voracious Reader

BookTalk.org Moderator
Silver Contributor

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1958
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Thanks: 68
Thanked: 726 times in 560 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
Very powerful speech! I caught most of it live.
After every one of these horrible events, it feels like - THIS TRAGEDY IS DIFFERENT - and FINALLY something WILL be done! However obviously nothing effective is ever done. In response America doubles-down on gun culture, making it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns for example.

Sorry, but I completely gave up on this whole thing after Sandy Hook on 12/14/12 when 26 children and 6 adults were killed and nothing was done. Even worse, rumors were spread far and wide that the killings were faked. Revolting.



Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:04 am
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 5655
Location: Canberra
Thanks: 2142
Thanked: 2077 times in 1573 posts
Gender: Male
Country: Australia (au)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
Taylor wrote:
Robert Tulip wrote:
It is the metaphysics, that guns are a magical talisman of liberty and restriction of government intrusion, a symbol of America's pioneer frontier fantasy identity.


Exactly this.

The American attitude to guns reminds me of the Aztec human sacrifice rituals, with the routine mass sacrifice of the innocent to atone to the Gods, sustaining the universe by repaying a divine debt.

That primitive attitude continues today with the American view that we should keep the whole society on tenterhooks, living with the constant painful suspense of never knowing when a madman with a gun will attack at random.

Unfortunately the religious ethics in that attitude to human blood sacrifice is a pathological traumatising derangement. The totemic religious fervour surrounding guns apparently extends to deliberate federal government insistence that crazy people should have full unfettered free access to weapons made only for large scale human massacre.

It is a shame that the most advanced nation on earth also lines up with the most primitive. US gun laws display barbaric contempt for human rights, dignity and freedom. People should be able to live in liberty from the terror imposed by government laws that allow crazy shooters to fire away at will.


_________________
http://rtulip.net


Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:15 pm
Profile Email WWW
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 743
Location: Florida
Thanks: 270
Thanked: 421 times in 329 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
I'm not offering the GOP advice but- take my advice GOP this issue will come back to haunt you at the mid-term elections.

In 2018, Gun Control will be the issue that more than any will sink the GOP. They Know it and they are sweating bullets over it. (I'm curious to see if senate bill 446 will pass) It shouldn't. I've emailed my reps my opposition to the bill, of course I've gotten no response, which when I think about it, I'd prefer.
Imigration is going to be another kick in GOP balls. (I hope bigly)
Equal pay will have the GOP pulling nose hairs as an internal destraction from their power slide. (Come on women these guys suck and you know it)
Trump is the poster child for GOP dysfunction. (is there anything likeable about this guy?)
Mitt Romney will come out swinging at the current GOP leadership only as a cover for continuing the GOP's free market fundy approach to social politics. (he'll prove to be a hipocrate par excellence)



Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:07 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Building a post count to the moon

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 743
Location: Florida
Thanks: 270
Thanked: 421 times in 329 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
Robert Tulip wrote:
The American attitude to guns reminds me of the Aztec human sacrifice rituals, with the routine mass sacrifice of the innocent to atone to the Gods, sustaining the universe by repaying a divine debt.


It makes one wonder if they(Gov't) really do prefer us killing each other and ourselves. I suppose they'd prefer that than people pointing those weapons at the U.S. capital. Or worse-voting them out of office, so it really must be the will of the people. As DB Roy put it 'we're to stupid and selfish'.



The following user would like to thank Taylor for this post:
Robert Tulip
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:12 pm
Profile Email
Years of membership
Junior

Silver Contributor

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 310
Location: New Jersey
Thanks: 146
Thanked: 138 times in 109 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Another victory for gun rights activists/advocates
.
Here's a big part of the problem.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/shoot ... -stop-them


Robert Draper, writer-at-large for “The New York Times” magazine, he has studied the history of the NRA.

"The National Rifle Association is the most powerful lobbying organization in America. It’s powerful not just because of the money that it has and membership that is, but quality of the membership, which is to say that they make their opinions heard, make their opinions count more quantifiably, I think, than any other organization in America.

[T]he last time we saw any major legislative effort mounted to control guns, any kind of gun safety law, was almost exactly five years ago at this time in the wake of the Newtown shooting.
There have been numerous such shootings since then, and no political will whatsoever to seek a legislative remedy. And that is clearly because of the efforts by the NRA, who have made it clear to Republicans in particular that they will pay a high political price if they were to sign on to such legislation."


_________________
In our country the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State.
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


The following user would like to thank Litwitlou for this post:
Taylor
Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:36 am
Profile Email
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.  Go to page 1, 2  Next



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:

Announcements 

• Promote Your Fiction Book on BookTalk.org
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:33 pm

• Promote Your Non-Fiction Book on BookTalk.org
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:18 pm



Site Resources 
HELPFUL INFO:
Forum Rules & Tips
Frequently Asked Questions
BBCode Explained
Author Interview Transcripts
Be a Book Discussion Leader!

IDEAS FOR WHAT TO READ:
Bestsellers
Book Awards
• Book Reviews
• Online Books
• Team Picks
Newspaper Book Sections

WHERE TO BUY BOOKS:
• Great resource pages are coming!

BEHIND THE BOOKS:
• Great resource pages are coming!

PROMOTE YOUR BOOK!
Advertise on BookTalk.org
How To Promote Your Book





BookTalk.org is a thriving book discussion forum, online reading group or book club. We read and talk about both fiction and non-fiction books as a community. Our forums are open to anyone in the world. While discussing books is our passion we also have active forums for talking about poetry, short stories, writing and authors. Our general discussion forum section includes forums for discussing science, religion, philosophy, politics, history, current events, arts, entertainment and more. We hope you join us!


Navigation 
MAIN NAVIGATION

HOMEFORUMSOUR BOOKSAUTHOR INTERVIEWSADVERTISELINKSFAQDONATETERMS OF USEPRIVACY POLICYSITEMAP

OTHER PAGES WORTH EXPLORING
Banned Book ListOnline Reading GroupTop 10 Atheism Books

Copyright © BookTalk.org 2002-2018. All rights reserved.


seo for beginners