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2-5/Wk6/Ch6: John, the Arrogant Disciple 
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Please Post Reply any thoughts on this chapter, what you liked or disliked about it, the Truths that resonated with your Spirit - OR - answer the chapter questions for group discussion below:

1. Have you ever thought of John the disciple as being arrogant? What biblical evidence supports this possibility?

2. At some point, John understood what Jesus meant by "The first shall be last, and the last shall be first." What do you think was the turning point for John in his friendship with Jesus?

3. What did you learn about friendship through watching Jesus interact with the characters in this book?



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What I love about this chapter is how beautifully the author describes how knowing the Lord changes us from the inside-out. It also shows, very comically, the tendency of people to compete and how Jesus addressed the competition by saying, "For whoever is the least among you will be the greatest," and "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve. And to give His life as a ransom for many." At the very end of the chapter, John was writing the gospel of John, but did not put his name on it because he wanted to keep the focus on Jesus. What a beautiful testimony to how the Lord changes hearts!



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I was thinking about this chapter and the conversation between Peter and John, and how at the time of Jesus' death, His 3 year ministry - that started with His baptism by John the Baptist, a dove descending over Him, and the voice of God - looked like a failure. He came for the lost children of Israel, but they crucified Him and are still lost today, over 2,000 years later. But what's really going on in the spiritual vs what we see in the natural can be two vastly different scenarios. Here is an insightful article on this subject:

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archiv ... who-failed



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What I love about this chapter is how beautifully the author describes how knowing the Lord changes us from the inside-out. It also shows, very comically, the tendency of people to compete and how Jesus addressed the competition by saying, "For whoever is the least among you will be the greatest," and "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve. And to give His life as a ransom for many."
Two things happen to John's arrogance at the same time. He learns that the Kingdom is not about ruling and controlling and enforcing and defeating. And at the same time he learns that his own heart has been mistakenly focused on being greater than others, even if it is greater in holiness and righteousness. Those go together. Each implies the other.

Obviously the author is encouraging others in a leadership role to examine their own motivations. It is natural to want validation, to have a feeling that we are really accomplishing something for God by being recognized and seeing our plans bear fruit. And sometimes it is those who accomplish the most who lose track of the real needs and the real pain of others. But Jesus didn't really leave it up to us to decide which is most important. The way of the cross is difficult for many reasons.



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Obviously the author is encouraging others in a leadership role to examine their own motivations. It is natural to want validation, to have a feeling that we are really accomplishing something for God by being recognized and seeing our plans bear fruit. And sometimes it is those who accomplish the most who lose track of the real needs and the real pain of others. But Jesus didn't really leave it up to us to decide which is most important. The way of the cross is difficult for many reasons.


My ministry to the Lord is a spiritual ministry, and in my own walk with the Lord I've realized that if I need validation or gratitude in the natural, then it is a cue to me that whatever I'm doing is being done under my own strength, not the Lord's strength. I learned early on that unless the Lord reveals what's going on in the spiritual - and He does - I have no idea what is going on in the spiritual, so at the onset of my ministry I said to the Lord that as long as He continues to give me a river of grace to do what I do for Him, I will continue to do it - but as soon as His grace no longer flows then I'll know to stop. As scripture says, "when the Lord opens a door, no one can shut it; and when the Lord closes a door no one can open it." This applies even when a door is shut in the natural realm, it doesn't mean it's shut in the spiritual realm. A door could be opened in the natural, but be closed in the spiritual. I've learned the spiritual realm is the dominant realm and the Lord works powerfully in it no matter what transpires in the natural, which is why it's so important to keep spiritually aware.



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I like the phrase, "a river of grace." It gets a lot across.



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