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I don't read many books on politics now, not since the advent of the internet. But I've read some good ones over the years. The first that truly impressed me was Theodore H. White's The Making of the President, 1960. Excellent book, won the Pulitzer Prize. I read his other Making of the President books, but the first was the best, in my opinion.

The last political book I read was Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg. Excellent book.

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I always liked "Truman" (can't remember the author). It's a biggie but very interesting. I've always thought Harry Truman to be one of the best Presidents the USA ever had (even though I'm a conservative Republican). We sure need someone like him now! As a companion piece, try "American Caesar" by William Manchester. This is a biography of Douglas MacArthur - a military genius whose colossal ego eventually destroyed his career.



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That Truman bio must be the one by David McCoullough. I agree it was a very interesting read. There could be a parallel of sorts between Truman and the current occupant of the WH. Very little was expected of Truman, whose past as a pawn of the Missouri political machine always stuck to him, and FDR was a hard act to follow. Donald Trump likewise faced heavy skepticism due to his lack of experience and inappropriate behavior during the campaign. I don't know how long it took Truman to turn things around. Trump, of course, hasn't been able to yet.

The best political book of the few I've read is Obama's Dreams from My Father. It's not the typical book by a pol, much more of an autobiography showing in skillful detail all of the influences that shaped the future president. Throughout it you marvel at the improbability of a person with such a background someday becoming president.



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Old Reb, that book about MacArthur does sound interesting. I read a book about the Korean War and my recollection is the North Koreans and Chinese analyzed MacArthur and decided to work with his Trump sized ego. They kept withdrawing strategically knowing MacArthur would take credit for quickly winning huge amounts of real estate. Then at a certain point they swarmed back from the North and drove the allies South of what is now the DMZ.

With America's poor memory, I can imagine history repeating as Trump and his MacArthur sized ego fall for the same strategy...

Nixon and Kissinger: Partners in Power by Robert Dallek is good. Imagine the unmitigated nerve to convince Vietnam to delay peace talks with President Johnson so they'd get a better deal with Nixon. Then to continue that war for another four years...



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I'm a military history buff, especially the Civil War, WWI, WWII and Korean War. My wife is originally from Korea and suffered through the Korean War first hand as a girl of 9. I've made many trips over there and have seen a lot of the country. Believe me, you don't want to fight a ground war over there!

The best book I ever read about the Korean War was "The Coldest Winter" by David Halberstam (2007). It goes into a lot of detail about the contentious relationship between Truman and MacArthur and how MacArthur was deluded by his own staff (and ego) into believing that the Chinese would do nothing as he advanced up to the Yalu River.

I agree with many of the parallels between Truman and Trump. However, Truman proved that he could actually lead this country and get things done, which Is why I respect him so much. All I've heard from Trump so far is a lot of hot air with nothing to show for it. I reluctantly voted for him because of the alternative of having Hilary as President. My first choice was Gov. Kasich of Ohio. If Trump runs for a second term in 2020, I will not support him.



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Yeah, I was pulling for Kasich, too, voted in the Republican primary in VA because I liked Kasich and a vote for him was also a vote against Trump.



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Speaking of McCullough, I read "1776" this summer and was fairly impressed. I've had my eye on his book about John Adams, but now I'll have to look at Truman. Thanks for the recommendations.

I see that McCullough published a book earlier this year, entitled, "The American Spirit: Who We Are and What We Stand For". It's actually a collection of McCullough's speeches.

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Anybody got any favorites, books to recommend?

As it happens, booktalk.org has one of the greatest political novels of all time as its current fiction selection! The Master and Margarita is a political satire on Soviet life in the 1920s and 1930s from a White Russian first hand perspective. Our most recent discussion is at chapter-nine-koroviev-s-tricks-t28676.html

Yesterday I listened to this fascinating short interview with a Ukrainian emigrant to the USA, now an economics academic, explaining that the soft young millennials could not imagine the reality of life under communism and this was causing American thinking to skew badly.


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I've found a pdf of The Master and Margarita. When I finish the ebooks I'm reading now I'll start that one, after first going through the Booktalk thread dedicated to it. But that'll be a while.

I read American Caesar some time ago. Mention of it here made me think of Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. I read those back to back and thought both were excellent.

But since then I've learned that, to paraphrase I forget whom, recording facts is only 1/2 of the historian's job; the other half is to hide facts. That's why I now tend to steer clear of history books that traditional reviewers praise. To paraphrase somebody else, history is a lie agreed upon.

As far as history writing that didn't get the corporate seal of approval, The Creature from Jekyll Island tells an important story. The book's pretty disorganized but contains a lot of information. The U.S. was conquered by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Before then, the U.S. Treasury handled our government's monetary concerns. After the Act, a consortium of private banks (the Fed) began printing U.S. currency and loaning it to the government at interest. 104 years later we're, what, 20-30 trillion in debt? Thanks to the Federal Reserve Act and the abuses it made possible. The Creature from Jekyll Island explains how the Fed came to be.

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I've never read a biography of Truman, but do any of them talk about his membership in the Freemasons? The Masons have been waging war against Christianity for a long time, and Truman targeted Hiroshima and Nagasaki with A-bombs. Only 1% of Japan was Christian at the time, but 10% of the people killed by the nukes were Christian. Truman targeted Japan's two largest Christian cities.

Lots of good work has been done by researchers who've broken free of partisan, national and educational biases. William Cooper is a good example. Can't recall if I've mentioned him on this forum, but I like to recommend an episode of his Mystery Babylon radio series to people. The show about the Skull and Bones Society is excellent. It's at the Archive.org link below (#14), just an hour long. Cooper knew his history but is best remembered for some of the odd beliefs he held in his long career (extraterrestrials). At any rate, he predicted the Sept 11 attack and bin Laden and all of that, then after the attack he wouldn't shut up about the government's role in it. Local police murdered him about 6 weeks after 9/11:

https://archive.org/details/MysteryBaby ... _Bones.mp3

I read somewhere that Time magazine says Hillary Clinton's What Happened is the best book of 2017. Best non-fiction, but I reckon they flipped a coin to choose the category. I haven't read Dreams of my Father, but if Obama didn't name Frank Marshall Davis as his daddy, then that book's definitely a work of fiction.



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I read somewhere that Time magazine says Hillary Clinton's What Happened is the best book of 2017. Best non-fiction, but I reckon they flipped a coin to choose the category. I haven't read Dreams of my Father, but if Obama didn't name Frank Marshall Davis as his daddy, then that book's definitely a work of fiction.

I haven't read Clinton's book, either. About Frank Marshall Davis, you mean non-biological father, obviously, but are going with the claim that Obama's relationship with Davis was so close as to make Davis a father-figure. The Washington Post's Fact Checker column gave this claim 3 Pinocchios (out of 4 possible). That mainstream media source is not one everyone trusts, I realize. That's where we are today. The Fact Checker writer says that Paul Kengor, the writer who made the father-figure case in a book, made a lengthy rebuttal in The American Thinker. I did not read it.

Bypassing this matter of how much influence the African-American Davis had on Obama (the influence on Obama's evolving thought on race and class doesn't seem disputed), can we say that Obama left any communist ideals aside when he became senator and then president? If we can't agree on that, can we agree at least that Obama did a very poor job implementing those ideals during his terms as president?

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The Washington Post is a leftist rag. It presents "facts" that support the likes of Obama, the murdering Clintons and so on. Quoting WaPo is pretty pointless.

Frank Marshall Davis is the pornographer who was taking nudie pictures of Obama's mother at the time she got knocked up. The pics are on the net if you search for them. Davis was a very public communist, and a pornographer, so Obama's mother had to find another father of record. She settled on Barack Obama Sr and became one of his string of wives. The Obama birth certificate fuss wasn't about place of birth, it was about the name of the father.

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And Obama did a wonderful job of implementing his policies. He and his wife hate America, and we're seeing the payoff now. Leftists seem ready to destroy the US rather than abide Donald Trump.



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The Washington Post is a leftist rag. It presents "facts" that support the likes of Obama, the murdering Clintons and so on. Quoting WaPo is pretty pointless.
One of the things that constantly amazes me is how frequently I find out information that completely overturns my assumptions. I try to keep a level-headed approach to evidence, but the material presented here by KindaSkolarly about Frank Marshall Davis is to me astounding, suggesting a conspiracy of silence about the identity of President Obama. It is like the Washington Post and its supporters take a policy decision that a claim is so offensive that they will not allow any discussion of it. While such an attitude may be reasonable with a story like Jewish Holocaust denial, the problem is that modern societies can believe myths, and can be highly resistant to exposure of their prevailing delusions.
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Frank Marshall Davis is the pornographer who was taking nudie pictures of Obama's mother at the time she got knocked up. The pics are on the net if you search for them.
I see the book on this is at http://www.obamasrealfather.com/ Certainly the superficial physical resemblance is plausible. Add to that the shared skill set and interests and maternal motive and the case becomes stronger. Obama could put it to rest with a DNA test.
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Davis was a very public communist, and a pornographer, so Obama's mother had to find another father of record. She settled on Barack Obama Sr and became one of his string of wives. The Obama birth certificate fuss wasn't about place of birth, it was about the name of the father.
What is astounding here to me is that in following the news reasonably closely this is the first time I can recall hearing this allegation. It is like it is so unacceptable as to be automatically filtered out by an informal censorship process. Although I see Washington Post and The Atlantic have covered it.
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Leftists seem ready to destroy the US rather than abide Donald Trump.

That is the same issue I see in climate change. The leftist popular front agenda puts the installation of a left wing government as the core goal, and condemns anything that might undermine that strategy, including listening to unwelcome opinion, as consorting with the enemy.


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As I explained in the original post, I don't read many history books nowadays. Current events are historical enough to satisfy my need to know about "what happened." And in real time, thanks to the internet.

All we know for sure about Obama is that he's a liar. As far as I was able to determine when I looked at the issue of his legal name, it is still Barry Soetoro. He and his mom legally changed the name to that when she married Lolo Soetoro. A document from a school he attended in Indonesia:

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Barry entered the American university system using that name. The complicit American news media later tried to claim that it was only a nickname, but it's not. It's his legal name, unless he went through the legal process of changing it back to Barack Obama. Which he may have done, since he was a lawyer.

And speaking of his legal career, he began it with a lie. On his application to the Illinois BAR he said he'd never gone by any name other that Barack Obama:

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Obama's a liar, and a creation of the CIA, and he and the CIA are now working to overthrow the government of the US. Leftists who go along with the plan because they hate Trump are going to learn the hard way about the dangers of identity politics. It the Clinton/Obama crime machine seizes America, the dupes who helped them into power will be the first to be eliminated. Like Hitler with the Brownshirts. Those folks were too stupid to live.



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Obama's a liar, and a creation of the CIA, and he and the CIA are now working to overthrow the government of the US. Leftists who go along with the plan because they hate Trump are going to learn the hard way about the dangers of identity politics. It the Clinton/Obama crime machine seizes America, the dupes who helped them into power will be the first to be eliminated. Like Hitler with the Brownshirts. Those folks were too stupid to live.



Right. And with all his connections and past experiences he should be able to get this job done before Christmas. :coco:

Just a few of the other conspiracy theories that have been making the rounds since 2008:

Obama is a secret Muslim: This one began right after he took the stage at the 2004 Democratic convention, with chain emails alleging his “true” religious affiliation. The rumor soon found its way onto the popular conservative online forum Free Republic, and took on a whole new life in the years to come. Related: Obama secretly speaks Arabic, attended a madrassa as a kid in Indonesia, referred to “my Muslim faith” in an interview, and was sworn in on a Koran. Steve Brodner

Obama is bringing 100 million Muslims to America:Avi Lipkin and his PR outfit Special Guests claimed to have evidence of a scheme to bring roughly 100 million Muslims from the Middle East into the United States, converting the country into an Islamic nation by the end of Obama’s second term and making it easier to obliterate Israel.

Obama once aided the mujahideen: Harlem pastor and professional race-baiter James David Manning contended that in his younger days, Obama went undercover as a CIA agent to facilitate the transfer of cash and weapons to the Afghan mujahideen in the ’80s, thereby aiding what would become the Taliban.

Obama is in the pocket of the Muslim Brotherhood: Billy Graham’s son Franklin wants you to know that Obama is allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to take over the federal government.

Obama redecorated the Oval Office in Middle Eastern style: Driven by his fierce sense of anti-American interior design, Obama got rid of the red, white, and blue decoration scheme in his White House office.

Obama married a Pakistani guy: World Net Daily correspondent and conspiracymonger extraordinaire Jerome Corsi posted a video in which he claimed to have “strong” evidence that Obama was once married to his college roommate from Pakistan. The smoking gun: Photos of the chums in which the future president is “sitting about on the [Pakistani roommate’s] lap.” Related: For years Obama wore a gold ring on his left hand. Was it his gay-wedding ring?

Obama’s ring has a Koranic verse on it: The very same ring, which Obama now wears as his (straight) wedding band, is allegedly emblazoned with a key phrase in the Islamic declaration of faith: “There is no god except Allah.” (It’s not.)

Obama was funded by a Saudi prince: Another fairy tale courtesy of Corsi: In late-’70s Chicago, Obama secured political and academic funding from a variety of sketchy Arab sponsors, including a Saudi prince. Which may explain why President Obama bowed to the Saudi king when they met in 2009.

Obama was born in Kenya: In early 2008, fringe theorists began a push to prove Obama was born on foreign soil and was therefore ineligible to live in the White House. The theory gained national attention thanks to the efforts of perennial GOP candidate Alan Keyes, “birther queen” Orly Taitz, and Corsi. Related: Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, he killed his grandmother in Hawaii because she knew the truth, sealed access to his birth certificate and other damning documents, and did pretty much everything horrible you could possibly do for the sake of a phony birth certificate.

Obama lost his US citizenship: According to Corsi, Obama became a citizen of Indonesia while he lived there as a child. Steve Brodner

Michelle’s “whitey” tape: During the 2008 campaign, rumors surfaced that a video of Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” would be released to sink her husband’s campaign. It’s never materialized. Related: The time Glenn Beck called Barack Obama a racist.

Obama was a Black Panther: Well, only if you’re not very good at spotting photoshopped images.

Obama is the son of Malcolm X: Because, you know, black people. This charmer popped up on Atlas Shrugged, Pamela Geller’s anti-Muslim website. (Geller is also known for obsessing over Shariah turkeys she believes are destroying Thanksgiving.)

Obama is the son of Frank Marshall Davis: The conspiracy film Dreams From My Real Father espouses the theory that Davis, a leftist activist, was not only Obama’s ideological mentor but his biological father. Related: Obama got a nose job to make his nose look less like Davis’.

Obama’s mom and dad were communists: That would be his real father, Barack Obama, Sr. And you know that communism is an inherited condition.

Obama’s ghostwriter was Bill Ayers: Conservative commentators claimed they uncovered evidence that ex-Weatherman Bill Ayers was the true author of Obama’s 1995 memoir Dreams from my Father. Beyond their shared radicalism, Obama asked Ayers to help because he had writer’s block.

Obama trained to overthrow the government: In 2008, leading Obama conspiracy theorist Andy Martin declared on Fox News’ Hannity’s America that the then-presidential candidate had trained for “a radical overthrow of the government” during his time as a community organizer in Chicago.

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