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Ch. 3: The Hypothesis of Myth (On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier) 
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Post Re: Ch. 3: The Hypothesis of Myth (On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier)
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I think this illustrates that in reading Carrier we should radically separate his history as good from his theology as incompetent.


Thanks Robert. That is a very good tip. I was actually reading this book to see how he constructs his argument vs. his history. But I think that you are right, I will get more out of the book if I focus on the history angle. Carrier's knowledge of history is impressive. Not his argument or science.



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Post Re: Ch. 3: The Hypothesis of Myth (On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier)
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Carrier's goal is to create a simple and minimalist myth hypothesis. As such, I question why he includes Proposition 2. To me, it seems unnecessary and possibly confusing. The propositions for his myth hypothesis are not as elegantly constructed as the ones for historicity.

Myth Proposition 2 states: Like many other celestial deities, this Jesus communicated with his subjects only through dream, visions and other forms of divine inspiration (such as prophesy, past and present).

Why include this? It could easily be false without debunking the 'myth'. What if, like many other celestial deities, this Jesus dropped down from the heavens from time to time and communicated with the natives - possibly by whispering through the trees or in human form. However, this would not mean that he was then, in turn, a real person (or believed to be real).

Does anyone 'get' why Carrier included this point within his propositions?


Are there any writings in the NT other than the gospels where the authors stated that Jesus dropped down from the heavens from time to time? I don't know of any. In fact, the Christian scheme was that the next time Jesus appeared on earth would be the last time so this would make Jesus returning from time to time and doing it so quietly that no one records it self-defeating. James made it sound as though Jesus had never been on earth but was getting ready to come down. All the other pre-gospelic epistles--primarily Paul's--make it clear that Jesus visited strictly by visions only.

In fact, I find the idea that Jesus came to earth again and again to be perfectly silly and the product very bad research on your part. Where are YOU getting this? But maybe I'm wrong. Can you name a pre-gospelic epistle that tells us Jesus that came to earth from time to time?



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