People have addictions to a LOT of stuff but that is not the public's fault. No I didn't read half of the stuff cause I wanted my opinion first then go back and read points to see if things would change. Then I got busy at work and I haven't been able to read back. I will though.

For dehumanizing women I don't really think that is a new thing. We have had brothels since day one. Our worth as woman has actually IMPROVED since then and that is with porn around. We have been allowed to show more of our body without so much ridicule and that has allowed us to me more human instead of a mystery under the large dresses. I've always said that if I had more confidence in my body (and more grace so that I could dance) I would be a stripped cause they get paid good money just for dancing. I really have no qualms against men thinking I'm attractive. (not that many are saying that lol)

As for the little control I will not be swayed on my thoughts about parent's abilities. A man standing up in the middle of a crowded mall and cursing isn't the parents fault. A child going onto a porn site is.

mlmooney89 wrote:People have addictions to a LOT of stuff but that is not the public's fault. No I didn't read half of the stuff cause I wanted my opinion first then go back and read points to see if things would change. Then I got busy at work and I haven't been able to read back. I will though.

For dehumanizing women I don't really think that is a new thing. We have had brothels since day one. Our worth as woman has actually IMPROVED since then and that is with porn around. We have been allowed to show more of our body without so much ridicule and that has allowed us to me more human instead of a mystery under the large dresses. I've always said that if I had more confidence in my body (and more grace so that I could dance) I would be a stripped cause they get paid good money just for dancing. I really have no qualms against men thinking I'm attractive. (not that many are saying that lol)

As for the little control I will not be swayed on my thoughts about parent's abilities. A man standing up in the middle of a crowded mall and cursing isn't the parents fault. A child going onto a porn site is.

I will wait for you to bring yourself up to date via those links.

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DL

mlmooney89 wrote: To me if a person is willing to do something (ie being a hooker, shooting porn, and doing drugs) who is the government to tell them no? As long as they aren't hurting others why stop them? In my mind set I'm thinking they are already in this position because they think there are no other ways out why are we making life harder on them by giving them a criminal record?

mlmooney - Thanks for your comments. Your position, stated above, is more or less libertarian, and that is certainly intellectually respectable. I don't agree, but I don't exactly disagree either. I want more options offered.

Making something illegal is a strong measure. Myself, I would just take the profit out. Many in the porn business claim they are doing it just to make a statement for freedom and the first amendment, but that is bs. If they want to show off their body, or demonstrate sex acts, for the sheer love of it like nudists enjoying the sunshine, I say fine. But no ads, no income, no investment, no profit. Let them solicit private contributions like the preachers do.

Which brings us to the prostitution problem. Not only does it reflect some unfortunate sides of society, but there is some question whether it is really free - would women (or men) do that if they did not need the money? You could make a case that high class escorts are kind of like high price models - just performing excellently in something that happens to pay well. It is possible to find people who enjoy that sort of thing without the money, so I would give them the benefit of the doubt.

But in a case where people are doing something that most of us think is too important to reduce to a monetary transaction, and side issues like spouses of the john who may get infected with a serious disease because of it, not to mention a level of deception in the partnership, then you have to at least suspect it represents a disappointment if not something that needs to be illegal. At a minimum I would offer counseling to anyone using a prostitute, if, as in some places in Switzerland, the business was made legal. Treat it sort of like gambling, I guess.

mlmooney89 wrote: But I digress this is about porn. To me those that complain about porn (mostly insecure women) are a bit petty. I obviously don't have real statistics but I'm pretty sure most men watch it plus a lot of women. To the ones watching it I don't see any harm. The person is doing their own thing by themselves why is that our concern and why girls get so upset is beyond me. I'd rather my fiancé watch that than go and cheat on me.

But are those the only choices? Again, you seem to be accepting that it is degrading, but arguing that it is not degrading enough to get the government involved. And maybe that is right. But hey, I am a Sunday School teacher, and I try to hold up a higher standard to the students. Not so much for what they avoid doing as for what they look for in the things they do, that would tend to discourage getting wrapped up in body parts and their, um, head.

mlmooney89 wrote:It's parents responsibility to keep their kids from the internet not the world's to keep it clean. I for one would be upset if it was taken away and I am not ashamed of that.

Spoken like someone who is not a parent. Keeping kids away from what is available on the internet is pretty close to impossible. We used blocking software, and that is somewhat effective, but they had friends who did not. Honestly, I think there is no excuse for much of what is on the internet being at all available, because it will be available for kids.

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IMO, we should not find anything on the net that we would not find at the library.

I like the net for information.

All information should be age related. What do young children need with porn?

That was rhetorical.

You are right that there is no way for parents to keep anything from their children that is on the net. Not any kid that has friends.

Regards
DL

CNBC is a investor/business related news channel and web site. It routinely has articles like the following which indicate the futility of censorship. Since even CNBC promotes porn stars and how to invest in that industry what chance do you have?

"clean" pictures, but subject NSFW.
The Dirty Dozen: Porn's biggest stars
Adult Entertainment Expo 2016

I really wonder what would have become of poor me, desperate for any girly pictures, even in Sears catalogs, if I'd had internet porn available to me. Would I ever have left the bedroom, perhaps not developed physically or acquired the love of the outdoors that I have? Now I'm probably exaggerating, but I'm sincere in being glad that I had to meet surreptitiously with friends to ogle the latest sexy treasure one of them had been blessed to acquire.

LanDroid wrote:CNBC is a investor/business related news channel and web site. It routinely has articles like the following which indicate the futility of censorship. Since even CNBC promotes porn stars and how to invest in that industry what chance do you have?

"clean" pictures, but subject NSFW.
The Dirty Dozen: Porn's biggest stars
Adult Entertainment Expo 2016

It would be hard for sure but nothing is impossible if their is the collective social will.

We just do not have the will or political will to do the right thing when we put the rights of adults ahead of what is good for our children.

It seems that modernity is helping us forget our protective instincts. It will get worse over time if we collectively do not remember our social duty.

Regards
DL

DWill wrote:I really wonder what would have become of poor me, desperate for any girly pictures, even in Sears catalogs, if I'd had internet porn available to me. Would I ever have left the bedroom, perhaps not developed physically or acquired the love of the outdoors that I have? Now I'm probably exaggerating, but I'm sincere in being glad that I had to meet surreptitiously with friends to ogle the latest sexy treasure one of them had been blessed to acquire.

I hear you.

Instant gratification is not a good training method and as the links given show, it is taking the social aspect out of some children and as the author puts it, is causing the demise of guys.

It is not doing girls any good either and that is part of the reason why we are producing so many skanks.

Regards
DL