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Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken. 
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Post Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
We need to call this finding "Supernatural" until a natural explanation can be found.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -physics1/



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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
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We need to call this finding "Supernatural" until a natural explanation can be found.


Because that's the default.


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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
It's a great discovery, if you read the article.

"Finding such a crack in the Standard Model is exciting because it suggests a potential path toward expanding the model beyond those particles currently known."


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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
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It's a great discovery, if you read the article.

"Finding such a crack in the Standard Model is exciting because it suggests a potential path toward expanding the model beyond those particles currently known."



That goes without saying.
But prior to this, physics was PHYSICS and was thought be Law as evidenced by the standard model.
This is above our understanding of natural law and "reality" if this is not a misreading of the data.

How does this impact the quest for the Holly Grail of Physics?

Yes I know: you have faith that there will be a natural explanation to save your knowitallness about reality and existence. But this is quite the supernatural discovery, for the moment.
I know that word is immoral to you.



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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
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But prior to this, physics was PHYSICS and was thought be Law as evidenced by the standard model.
This is above our understanding of natural law and "reality" if this is not a misreading of the data.


You seem to have concocted a strawman where physicists were saying the Standard Model was the final word.

Now try to find a single quote anywhere, from anyone, at any time, for that position.



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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
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But prior to this, physics was PHYSICS and was thought be Law as evidenced by the standard model.


Where did you pull this from?


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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
Oh common now.
Us science enthusiasts know the deeper we drill into nature the faster our prior knowledgr goes out the window.

But there's a naturalistic reason why the standard model needs to be scrapped.
Until we find out why, ill say the particle smasher dunnit.



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Us science enthusiasts know the deeper we drill into nature the faster our prior knowledgr goes out the window.

This too. Where did you pull it from?

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But there's a naturalistic reason why the standard model needs to be scrapped.


As opposed to a supernaturalistic reason? Enlighten us.


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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
The reason is above our understanding of the standard model of physics within a natural framework.
SUPRA! :tease:

Upsetting, I know. :weep:



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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
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The reason is above our understanding of the standard model of physics within a natural framework.
SUPRA! :tease:

Upsetting, I know. :weep:


So every time there is a conflict with a paradigm in science it is "supernatural" until further notice?

Is this your own formulation, or have you seen anyone else who thinks about science this way?

I suppose it's possible you are an innovative philosopher of science. But... probably not.



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The Standard Model of particle physics—the reigning theory of these morsels—describes a small collection of known species that combine in myriad ways to build the matter around us and carry the forces of nature. Yet physicists know that these particles cannot be all there is—they do not account for the dark matter or dark energy that seem to contribute much of the universe’s mass, for example.

Well that puts a damper on the supra-natural explanation, but it is still very exciting to consider that we may soon be arguing over which Diety manipulates subatomic particles!



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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
If there were scales where the universe operated by a different set of laws, could we say it's natural? How about bi-natural or quazi-natural? Perhaps quantum mechanics operates at the subnatural world?

Just because motive smells up the whole room doesn't mean there can't be a diamond in the turd.


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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
Ant, you darling puppy.

Run with that bone. RUN WITH IT!

This is as supernatural as mercury's odd orbit around the sun. Newton's theory of gravity couldn't account for it.


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Have you tried that? Looking for answers?
Or have you been content to be terrified of a thing you know nothing about?

Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?

Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?

Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?

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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
Using tbe word supernatural around here is like throwing raw meat to a pack of hyenas.



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Post Re: Attention Everyone: The laws of physics have been broken.
I use the word all the time. It's not about the word, it's about the delivery and context. You can't seem to post anything without a snide jab or insult or some other trollish comment. It's getting old.


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