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Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"

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Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"

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Whats incorrect?
Thats a cherry pick of the data from 1981 and does not mention the warming pause thats been going on for 17 years.
Does it? Where?

Are you going to deny the warming pause and the hurricane drought?
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... tudy-finds :evil:

“The myth of the global warming pause has been heavily promoted by climate change sceptics seeking to undermine the case for strong and urgent cuts in greenhouse gas emissions,” said Ward.
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Ant,
The hurricane drought is a gap in those hurricanes actually going to the U.S. They are still happening in the North Atlantic at the usual pace. Only one in four typically makes U.S. landfall, so this appears to be a fluke, not a pattern.

http://www.livescience.com/50704-hurricane-drought.html

If the theory behind predictions of global warming said that only GHG matter, i.e. there are no solar cycles or Pacific oscillations or deep-sea mixing that influence temperature rises, then the pause in rate of increase would falsify the theory. But of course these other factors do matter. Are you prepared to bet that the next six years will see no further rise? If so, please let me know so I can send you my email and we can begin to formalize the matter.
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Harry Marks wrote:Ant,
The hurricane drought is a gap in those hurricanes actually going to the U.S. They are still happening in the North Atlantic at the usual pace. Only one in four typically makes U.S. landfall, so this appears to be a fluke, not a pattern.

http://www.livescience.com/50704-hurricane-drought.html

If the theory behind predictions of global warming said that only GHG matter, i.e. there are no solar cycles or Pacific oscillations or deep-sea mixing that influence temperature rises, then the pause in rate of increase would falsify the theory. But of course these other factors do matter. Are you prepared to bet that the next six years will see no further rise? If so, please let me know so I can send you my email and we can begin to formalize the matter.


Right, a "fluke"
I appreciate that scientific term, Harry. The term explains a lot.


Some studies recognize a warming hiatus and attempt to determine at what point natural variability will eventually give way to temperature surges.
That has to be modeled of course because there is no evidence, to my knowledge, that a surge is underway.

Anyway, here's one:
The recent warming “hiatus” is subject to intense interest, with proposed causes including natural forcing and internal variability. Here we derive samples of all natural and internal variability from observations and a recent proxy reconstruction to investigate the likelihood that these two sources of variability could produce a hiatus or rapid warming in surface temperature. The likelihood is found to be consistent with that calculated previously for models and exhibits a similar spatial pattern, with an Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation-like structure, although with more signal in the Atlantic than in model patterns. The number and length of events increases if natural forcing is also considered, particularly in the models. From the reconstruction it can be seen that large eruptions, such as Mount Tambora in 1815, or clusters of eruptions, may result in a hiatus of over 20 years, a finding supported by model results
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 8/abstract
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Interbane wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... tudy-finds :evil:

“The myth of the global warming pause has been heavily promoted by climate change sceptics seeking to undermine the case for strong and urgent cuts in greenhouse gas emissions,” said Ward.

MUWAHAHAHAHAHHA!!
I want the planet to cook!
I love greenhouse gases!
I want to undermine NATURE!
MUAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!
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This article in Nature mag nails it.
Ideological thinking like Interbane's simply refuse to acknowledge the realities of scientific practice within and inseparable from a social context.

http://www.nature.com/news/reproducibil ... NatureNews

"Pecisely. Replication of the sort that can be done with tightly controlled laboratory experiments is indeed often impossible when you are studying the behaviour of dynamic, complex systems, for example at the intersection of human health, the natural environment and technological risks. But it is hard to see how this amounts to an argument against mandating open access to the data from these studies. Growing concerns about the quality of published scientific results have often singled out bad statistical practices and modelling assumptions, and have typically focused on the very types of science that often underlie regulations, such as efforts to quantify the population-wide health effects of a single chemical."
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ant wrote:Ideological thinking like Interbane's simply refuse to acknowledge the realities of scientific practice within and inseparable from a social context.
Why do you say that? It was a great article that I agreed with.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /72014440/

Yay. The US will soon be paying reparations for extreme weather caused by climate change!

Interbane, this aligns with your socialism doesnt it?
Great way to distribute some wealth, huh?
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Great way to distribute some wealth, huh?
Why do you think that?
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Since we are fellow Californians, what's your take on this:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/09/12/c ... rry-brown/
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