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Great article on the uncertainties of climate science and climate change

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https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2014/0 ... te-change/

Seems to me a lot of this makes sense.
It talks about the impact cloud formation has on warming/cooling and discusses the impact of the ocean

Here's a sample:
All of the above is background to one of the great mysteries of the climate change issue. Virtually all the scientists directly involved in climate prediction are aware of the enormous problems and uncertainties still associated with their product. How then is it that those of them involved in the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) can put their hands on their hearts and maintain there is a 95 per cent probability that human emissions of carbon dioxide have caused most of the global warming that has occurred over the last several decades?

Bear in mind that the representation of clouds in climate models (and of water vapour, which is intimately involved with cloud formation) is such as to amplify the forecast warming from increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide—on average over most of the models—by a factor of about three. In other words, two-thirds of the forecast rise in temperature derives from this particular model characteristic. Despite what the models are telling us—and perhaps because it is models that are telling us—no scientist close to the problem and in his right mind, when asked the specific question, would say that he is 95 per cent sure that the effect of clouds is to amplify rather than to reduce the warming effect of increasing carbon dioxide. If he is not sure that clouds amplify global warming, he cannot be sure that most of the global warming is a result of increasing carbon dioxide.

Bear in mind too that no scientist close to the problem and in his right mind, when asked the specific question, would say there is only a very small possibility (that is, less than 5 per cent) that internal ocean behaviour could be a major cause of the warming over the past half-century. He would be particularly careful not to make such a statement now that there has been no significant warming over the most recent fifteen or so years. In the mad scurry to find reasons for the pause, and to find reasons for an obvious failure of the models to simulate the pause, suddenly we are hearing that perhaps the heat of global warming is being “hidden” in the deep ocean. In other words we are being told that some internal oceanic fluctuation may have reduced the upward trend in global temperature. It is therefore more than a little strange that we are not hearing from the IPCC (or at any rate not hearing very loudly) that some natural internal fluctuation of the system may have given rise to most of the earlier upward trend.
I think these are some of the things warming alarmists dont want the public to consider.
Also, the science of this isnt practiced in a vacuum. There is an enormous amount of money to be made and an enormous amount of future profit at risk. There are reputations at stake and people's careers on the line.
My feeling is that politics has infected this entire discussion and has caused people to vilify people and has created a totalitarian ideological paradigm that will take years to recover from.

Climate change alarmists have effectively labled reasonable skeptics as climate change deniers.
They create a fallacious "you are either with us or against us" sociopolitical climate
Do not be fooled by their tactics.

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Re: Great article on the uncertainties of climate science and climate change

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The most precise criticism of the IPCC's report came from the editors of Nature, one of the world's most distinguished science journals: "Scientists cannot say with any certainty what rate of warming might be expected, or what effects humanity might want to prepare for, hedge against or avoid at all costs."

Despite decades of research funded by taxpayers to the tune of billions of dollars, we are no more certain about the impact of man-made greenhouse gases than we were in 1990, or even in 1979 when the National Academy of Sciences estimated the effect of a doubling of carbon dioxide to be "near 3 degrees C with a probable error of plus or minus 1.5 degrees C."

The lower end of that range, which is where the best research on the likely sensitivity of climate to carbon dioxide lands, is well within the bounds of natural variability.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... s/2983941/


Alarmist, like Interbane and Robert, are on the high end of the spectrum.
Alarmists argue with certainty what the science of today continues to fail to predict with any certainty.
That's what makes an alarmist campaign a foolish campaign.

Yes, I agree, of course the climate is changing.
Yes, I agree, we should plan and act for the future, but not in haste, like alarmists insist we do.

With the forces of natural phenomena in play and their contribution to climate sensitivity, no, athropogenic global warming has not been proven. Honest science that admits it can not establish correlation/causation certainty in highly sensitive systems will tell you that.

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You can't falsify a conclusion that states "it's likely to happen"
Alarmist don't want you to know that.
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Re: Great article on the uncertainties of climate science and climate change

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Is it definitive that C02 drive warming?
International efforts to limit global warming and ocean acidification aim to slow the growth of atmospheric CO2, guided primarily by national and industry estimates of production and consumption of fossil fuels. Atmospheric verification of emissions is vital but present global inversion methods are inadequate for this purpose. We demonstrate a clear response in atmospheric CO2 coinciding with a sharp 2010 increase in Asian emissions but show persisting slowing mean CO2 growth from 2002/03
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http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/ ... e1817.html

"But show persisting slowing mean C02 growth from 2002/03" is what catches my attention here.

Why did an increase in emissions coincide with a slowing of C02?

And here:
Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 8112001658

Im new at this.
Interbane, youre an expert on global warming and consensus dogma: esplain please. :)
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