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For those of you who have supported propaganda disseminating the false belief that religion is antithetical to science and the teaching of evolution in our classrooms, you should be properly informed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy_Letter_Project


The Clergy Letter - from American Christian Clergy – An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science
Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as "one theory among others" is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God's good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God's loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.[7]
The Clergy Letter - from American Rabbis – An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science
As rabbis from various branches of Judaism, we the undersigned, urge public school boards to affirm their commitment to the teaching of the science of evolution. Fundamentalists of various traditions, who perceive the science of evolution to be in conflict with their personal religious beliefs, are seeking to influence public school boards to authorize the teaching of creationism. We see this as a breach in the separation of church and state. Those who believe in a literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creation are free to teach their perspective in their homes, religious institutions and parochial schools. To teach it in the public schools would be to assert a particular religious perspective in an environment which is supposed to be free of such indoctrination.
The Bible is the primary source of spiritual inspiration and of values for us and for many others, though not everyone, in our society. It is, however, open to interpretation, with some taking the creation account and other content literally and some preferring a figurative understanding. It is possible to be inspired by the religious teachings of the Bible while not taking a literalist approach and while accepting the validity of science including the foundational concept of evolution. It is not the role of public schools to indoctrinate students with specific religious beliefs but rather to educate them in the established principles of science and in other subjects of general knowledge.[8]
The Clergy Letter - from Unitarian Universalist Clergy – An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science
As Unitarian Universalists, we draw from many sources, including "Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life," and "Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit." While most Unitarian Universalists believe that many sacred scriptures convey timeless truths about humans and our relationship to the sacred, we stand in solidarity with our Christian and Jewish brothers and sisters who do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. We believe that religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
Fundamentalists of various traditions, who perceive the science of evolution to be in conflict with their personal religious beliefs, are seeking to influence public school boards to authorize the teaching of creationism. We see this as a breach in the separation of church and state. Those who believe in a literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creation are free to teach their perspective in their homes, religious institutions and parochial schools. To teach it in the public schools would be to assert a particular religious perspective in an environment which is supposed to be free of such indoctrination.
We the undersigned, Unitarian Universalist clergy, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and other scriptures may comfortably coexist with the discoveries of modern science. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as "one theory among others" is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.[9]
[quote]The Clergy Letter - from American Buddhist Clergy – An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science
“If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims or adopt them as metaphor.”
The Universe in a Single Atom
Tenzin Gyatso - The Dalai Lama
As the above quote indicates, the Buddhist tradition is primarily a rational religion. The earliest Buddhist teachings are intended to help all sentient beings to live a life of integrity in harmony with reality. While the specific science of evolution is not explicitly taught in our faith, it is implicit in the core teaching of interdependent origination, which demonstrates that all things are interconnected and contingent upon one another for their form and development. Likewise, a creator deity is not relied upon for a creation story. The ancient Indian fables of the Buddha’s various incarnations from animal to human are readily understood not as a literal history but as metaphor describing the evolving nature of life. In fact, the concept of Buddha itself is best understood as a symbol for humanity’s evolutionary potential. For all of these reasons, we admonish public school boards to affirm their commitment to teaching the science of evolution. We understand the role of public schools is to educate students in the established principles of science and in other subjects of general knowledge."[10][/quote]


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For those of you who have supported propaganda disseminating the false belief that religion is antithetical to science and the teaching of evolution in our classrooms, you should be properly informed:
This is nonsense. Not the letters, nor the people behind them, nor their virtuous intent. I believe all these things are more or less true and honest. Your assessment of what it implies is nonsense.

You're saying that because there is a large Christian faction that supports science and supports the teaching of evolution, that ALL of Christianity is therefore represented by them.

This is simply false. There are Christian factions that are not represented by this letter who are doing everything in their power to teach creationism rather than evolution. You're against generalizing against religion. What about generalizing in their defense? Is that not an equal yet opposite crime?
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You're saying that because there is a large Christian faction that supports science and supports the teaching of evolution, that ALL of Christianity is therefore represented by them.
never said that all of Christianity supports the teaching of evolution.

if the Clergy Letter Project felt a need to express their religious perspective, as expressed above, it is evidence their intent was to distinguish themselves from others who practice religion but differ on the matter in question.

a myopic generalization, narrowly defining religion as antithetical to science is false.
that's what mostly goes on here.


To my knowledge, there is no theological doctrine that explicitly rejects evolution.
Can you provide a link to a specific doctrine that does?
Let me know if you need help finding it.
I'm not the google scholar you are, but I'm willing to help you dig up some theological doctrine that will bail your tukus out here.
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For those of you who have supported propaganda disseminating the false belief that religion is antithetical to science and the teaching of evolution
For those who support the “propaganda” that religion is antithetical to science, have you asked them to clarify what they support? I for one believe that many factions of religion are antithetical to science, while the main body is a collective of parties with differing interests.

Which means that saying “religion is antithetical to science” is not false, and is easily supported, as long as it’s understood that we’re referring to factions within religion, and not the entire disparate entity. Your pretensive apologetic apoplectics are getting tiresome ant. You are the one misunderstanding, then blaming others.
a myopic generalization, narrowly defining religion as antithetical to science is false.
that's what mostly goes on here.
No, that’s not what goes on here. Everyone on these forums will state what they believe if you wish, and it’s certainly not reflective of your straw man. The issue is that when someone says anything whatsoever negative against religion, you immediately grow defensive and assume they’re speaking of the entire enterprise. Yet each and every time, the person will clarify when asked that they are speaking of the faction rather than religion in general.
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For those who support the “propaganda” that religion is antithetical to science, have you asked them to clarify what they support?
I've forgotten to ask for clarification from those not disillusioned by religion and highly educated (as you introduced them to me long ago).

Either people here do not care to clarify themselves in certain situations or they need someone to prod then to.

My prod is currently being appropriately utilized at my cow farm.

I'll make sure to have it handy next time someone spews an egregious generalization that needs clarification.

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Either people here do not care to clarify themselves in certain situations or they need someone to prod then to.
If you want a disclaimer for everything said, you'd have a full book. That's why intellectual humility is so important. Give the benefit of the doubt, rather than filling in the unspoken gaps with your own assumptions.

There are a half a dozen people continually telling you that you formulate straw men. This is why; you assume in the wrong direction. The required change isn't you holding a prod, it's you having humility.
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Interbane wrote:
Either people here do not care to clarify themselves in certain situations or they need someone to prod then to.
If you want a disclaimer for everything said, you'd have a full book. That's why intellectual humility is so important. Give the benefit of the doubt, rather than filling in the unspoken gaps with your own assumptions.

There are a half a dozen people continually telling you that you formulate straw men. This is why; you assume in the wrong direction. The required change isn't you holding a prod, it's you having humility.

broad attacks on Religion as being antithetical to evolution is also an elaborate strawman.
that goes on all the time here.
this is why you are a grotesque hypocrite about all this.
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broad attacks on Religion as being antithetical to evolution is also an elaborate strawman.
Provide quotes or it didn't happen. Let's look at the source material.
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I blame Christians for this:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... tives.html

And this isn't exactly a tiny minority.

Are you trying to argue against the claim that all Christians are against teaching evolution?

Congratulations. No one on Earth holds that position.
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Dexter wrote:I blame Christians for this:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... tives.html

Are you trying to argue against the claim that all Christians are against teaching evolution?

Congratulations. No one on Earth holds that position.
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