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Should god be treated as a scientific hypothesis?

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Re: Should god be treated as a scientific hypothesis?

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Interbane wrote:I think science has pushed god back into meaningless definition territory. Or at least, it's close.
The concept that God occupies a separate supernatural realm is a bit of semantic wordplay. There’s something of a parallel in the field of alternative medicine. It’s been said that if alternative medicine actually worked it would be called "medicine." We can see that “alternative medicine” is only meant to describe remedies that can’t be shown to work (better than placebo). As such there are lots of unfounded claims in the alternative medicine business (herbal medicines are regulated as a food and thus these claims can be made). And so, ginkgo biloba supposedly enhances memory and can be used to treat dementia and Alzheimer’s. Without evidence to support this claim, ginkgo biloba remains an alternative medicine.

But, as Steven Novella says, ginkgo biloba itself is an herb. Herbal remedies are drugs and can be studied as drugs. We can actually test the efficacy of this drug.

That’s where the parallel ends because there is nothing for science to study in the realm of “supernatural.” By its very definition, "supernatural" conveniently falls outside the realm of empirical science (along with "alternative medicine"). If we could study some aspect of the "supernatural" then that aspect of the “supernatural” would be “natural.”

Interbane frames this question of God-as-scientific-hypothesis so well that we quickly come to a wall in which we have to apply Occam's razor: which is actually more likely: a) the existence of an all-powerful deity that cannot be detected or exist in the natural world, or b) the existence of those people who for whatever psychological reason believe that there is a God?

As such, I would argue that the God-as-scientific-hypothesis is dead in the water. A scientist-philosopher now would shift his hypothesis to a psychological study of why people believe.
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I got this from the Spirit of Nature web site that Grizzlyman linked to on another thread:
There are two main reasons why a nonbelievers demand for 'evidence' of supernatural events, will bore some people and frustrate others:

1. Academically qualified believers are tied to the Christian status-quo, while the less qualified demonstrate their inability to rationalize by retreating from the discussion muttering "You don’t understand": Neither will change.

2. The second reason is perhaps a little more frustrating: Non-believers generally consider themselves to be rational people, yet here is a question - regarding a distortion of Natural law - that many among us seem happy to argue about but make no serious attempt to answer.

The habit formed of continually arguing the 'reality' of supernatural claims has overlaid the concept with a false sense of validity. However, the natural fact is that supernatural belief exists only in the human mind and our ability to rationalise the concept has been overwhelmed by the cultural dominance of Christian belief.

Question: Why waste your time and intellectual energy arguing when it is more uplifting to spend energy sharing that in which you do believe? For instance:

Nature is Supreme.

You respect its laws.

You will do unto others as they do unto you... or would like to...

You harbor an inherent desire to make a better society.

Supernatural belief is false and miracles can be interpreted within Nature.

Working together gives energy to endeavor... and so on.

Thankfully, within our democratic society, it is the right of all freethinking people to search and find a system of belief that is not full of untestable mystery; that is not imposed, and does not require others to do our thinking.

Do not allow yourself to wallow in the conflict generated by supernatural belief. We are best served by using our intellectual energy to move social awareness forward - from the supernatural to the natural - from the unbelievable to the believable.

Share your thoughts.
http://www.spiritofnaturetoday.com/evidence/4569165079
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As such, I would argue that the God-as-scientific-hypothesis is dead in the water. A scientist-philosopher now would shift his hypothesis to a psychological study of why people believe.
That sounds like a good summary of Michael Shermer's earlier life. His focus was directed away from god, and toward the odd things people believe. I remember reading all of his books before any others regarding god.
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Sean Carroll talking about God as a theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_cNONhhKI
In the absence of God, I found Man.
-Guillermo Del Torro

Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?

Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?

Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?
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