I've always believed that the atheist has more of a Freudian problem with the concept of "God" than anything.
God is "hiding" "He" needs to show himself (evidence) to prove he exists (an absent parent that cares is around for the child to see. otherwise, the child becomes rebellious and insecure).
The atheist rebels against the very idea of an absent parent that is supposed to be an authority figure.
The child goes into denial and has issues with authority. as such.
Atheists are in an underdeveloped and immature stage. They cry for the attention they crave that a godless cosmos does not give them.
It's all quite Freudian.
Every deal with the know-it-all adolescent stage?
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Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,
I think I might be doing it right now! But on the off-chance I'll mention that following something to the point of criticizing a large portion of humanity for not likewise following this someone can be seen, reasonably, as a childish thing to do. I'm not up on Freud. What did he have to say about projection? Anyway, I think considering the millions cases of cancer cured, the number of cripples made to walk again, the legions of demons cast out, and all of those prayers that were answered, that one regenerated leg is a very modest request. There is a line of thought that the western world is simply too educated for God to bother with miracles amongst us. This prompts him to do extraordinary things in other parts of the globe. So while God doesn't have to prove anything he does like to show off to the superstitious. And while I will grant that God is wise I am just as sure he's unfair to life, and not at all someone to look up to. But yeah, when it comes to right now, it seems to me both science and god are silent.
ps: hay ant, what about The Plague? Let's hear it!
ps: hay ant, what about The Plague? Let's hear it!
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smiththemighty wrote:I am definitely in the anything can happen camp on this one. There is no reason that over enough time that anything is possible.
There is Darwinism to consider though....
Darwinian Evolution is a powerfully effective mechanism and should not be underestimated.
However, from a strictly scientific perspective, it must be realized that the theory itself encapsulates a tension within science itself - Science must limit itself to experience (observation) and must go beyond experience for the refinement of theory.
This is not to say that DE is controversial. Rather, it is subject to continued development by means of empirical interpretation.
Scientific theory relies on linguistic structures. Said structures are only as good as their terms.
Partial definitions of terms are utilized to move a theory toward its goal of explaining phenomena and achieving predictive power (making predictions). Evolution by and large is dependent on narrative terms that are not verifiable by observation to achieve empirical certainty. That is why the theory of evolution is a constant work in progress.
This is something that rubs atheists the wrong way. In a chaotic cosmos they look for certainty just as much as the theist.
The atheist wants to be certain the he was once a fish. This is brings him comfort.
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Straw man #14God is "hiding" "He" needs to show himself (evidence) to prove he exists (an absent parent that cares is around for the child to see. otherwise, the child becomes rebellious and insecure).
Who here is claiming he needs to show himself? I don't care if he acts as if he doesn't exist. I won't believe he exists in that case. Does that make you angry? Your post sounded a bit heated, as if atheists were being absurd to ask for evidence before believing something. No, I will not believe Muhammed’s writings without something to corroborate his anecdotes. Christian authors get no special treatment. L. Ron Hubbard as well.
Everyone peddles their ideological wares without evidence, then blames the non-believers for not believing! Yes, we atheists don’t believe because we’re immature children. You got us pegged!
Straw man #15. Show me someone who has a stronger distaste for 'certainty' than myself. This one isn't only a straw man, it's the exact opposite!This is something that rubs atheists the wrong way. In a chaotic cosmos they look for certainty just as much as the theist.
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We've tried to pin down your slippery position on evolution too, but that was also unsuccessful. You say you accept evolution, but it seems like you don't want to believe that humans have evolved from fish. So what exactly do you accept about evolution? This is not even controversial except among creationists.ant wrote: The atheist wants to be certain the he was once a fish. This is brings him comfort.
These posts are becoming increasingly ridiculous. So what is the mature stage? Are you in it? Does it consist of beliefs that have any content whatsoever?Atheists are in an underdeveloped and immature stage. They cry for the attention they crave that a godless cosmos does not give them.
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Interbane wrote:Straw man #14God is "hiding" "He" needs to show himself (evidence) to prove he exists (an absent parent that cares is around for the child to see. otherwise, the child becomes rebellious and insecure).
Who here is claiming he needs to show himself? I don't care if he acts as if he doesn't exist. I won't believe he exists in that case. Does that make you angry? Your post sounded a bit heated, as if atheists were being absurd to ask for evidence before believing something. No, I will not believe Muhammed’s writings without something to corroborate his anecdotes. Christian authors get no special treatment. L. Ron Hubbard as well.
Everyone peddles their ideological wares without evidence, then blames the non-believers for not believing! Yes, we atheists don’t believe because we’re immature children. You got us pegged!
Straw man #15. Show me someone who has a stronger distaste for 'certainty' than myself. This one isn't only a straw man, it's the exact opposite!This is something that rubs atheists the wrong way. In a chaotic cosmos they look for certainty just as much as the theist.
Oh come on now. The Freudian analysis was just that., and analysis of the big stink atheists, militant in particular, make of their belief in the non existence of God. It wasn't an "argument" Duh!
It's very important that we were all once fishies to the atheist because that would certainly mean god does not exist.
I noticed you were more interested in getting emotional here and didn't bother with the meat and potatoes of my post - the theory of evolution.
I must have hit some Freudian soft spot.
But it is all very Freudian.
BTW,
You mentioned the word hiding. It's not a stretch to imply that if "he" is "hiding" you'd like to see him come out of hiding.
Don't get your shorts knotted up over my commenting on your childish cosmic hide-and-seek game you think is going on. You're the ridiculous one here.
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These posts are becoming increasingly ridiculous.
Okay. Bye
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I admire the atheistic message Albert Camus has to share in The Plague.ps: hay ant, what about The Plague? Let's hear it!
My interpretation of the story is that in the face of human suffering it does not matter if god exists or not, we are fellow sufferers that need not look elsewhere for help. What saves us in the end is our humanity, our humane involvement. The willingness of each person to do their part. The character Rieux exemplifies this.
(in a nutshell)
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I'm sorry, but the joke's on you here. I don't believe he's hiding. How silly of a rationalization is that. The simplest explanation is that he's a fictional entity. I say "he's hiding" as a way of poking fun. "Where's the elephant you said was in the back yard?" "Oh, he's hiding behind that there tree." Yep.You mentioned the word hiding. It's not a stretch to imply that if "he" is "hiding" you'd like to see him come out of hiding.
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Interbane wrote:I'm sorry, but the joke's on you here. I don't believe he's hiding. How silly of a rationalization is that. The simplest explanation is that he's a fictional entity. I say "he's hiding" as a way of poking fun. "Where's the elephant you said was in the back yard?" "Oh, he's hiding behind that there tree." Yep.You mentioned the word hiding. It's not a stretch to imply that if "he" is "hiding" you'd like to see him come out of hiding.
You wrote it, you wear it, pal.