Whatever. To suppress human needs, wants, and desires is to deny reality. To deny more liberal trends in history have brought increased prosperity is to deny reality. To accept Rands extreme position is to support a reversal in history and support for tyranny. To deny collective action is to deny democracy.

President Camacho wrote:To accept Rands extreme position is to support a reversal in history and support for tyranny.

So supporting individual rights and the system that recognizes, upholds and protects them, laissez-faire capitalism, means that one supports tyranny, in your view? But a system that violates rights, wouldnt be tyranny, in your view?

Rand opposes tyranny, by limiting the government by the principle of individual rights. To make such a claim as you do, nothing in Rands writing or philosophy is in support of tyranny, as such.

MrA, it doesn't matter how many times you say it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

By defending SOME people's rights, you allow them to infringe on OTHER people's rights. The violation to others is often LARGER than the violation to the original person.

Therefore to violate one person's right has the consequence of protecting many other peoples rights.



You DO support violating people's rights, even though you refuse to see how that's the case. You protect the employer, the employee's rights are then open for violation. That's a truth you can't dance around with words. That's why people have stopped responding to you here. It's obvious, and it's the reason you're wrong. But you continue saying you're against violating rights as if saying it enough makes it true.

Rand argues the producer has more rights than the consumer. The producer is the creative source of wealth, while the consumer is dependent on the producer's willingness to take risks and explore new ideas. Production trumps consumption, to use a Donaldism. But this Galt myth of the oppressed innovator bears only vague relation to the actual reality of the military-industrial complex as the political backer behind Ryan's neo-Randism.

Rand is no democrat. She is focussed on the elite few who have ideas, and implies they should rule as philosopher kings over the ignorant rabble. The trouble, as seen in the recent election with Paul Ryan as the torchbearer for John Galt, is that the Republicans are hypocrites, claiming to present an ethical capitalism while doing no such thing. They are owned by special interest groups who are more like Orren Boyle than Hank Rearden.

The undemocratic nature of Rand's ideas makes me think the USA is slowly heading towards a new civil war, with the Republicans using the military to install a capitalist dictatorship like the Roman Empire, once the voting majority in favour of Democrats becomes too big for the Republicans to swindle and buy off. Romney behaved like a swindler in this election, refusing to discuss his real agenda and seeking to steal power on false pretences. I wonder if it is possible for the Republican Party to return to an economic policy that is not corrupted.

Robert Tulip wrote:Rand argues the producer has more rights than the consumer.

She absolutely does not. The principle of individual rights applies to all individuals. Consumers, producers, etc.

Btw, why are you posting your thoughts after having read the book, in the thread, near the middle of the book, itself?

Interbane: "You DO support violating people's rights, even though you refuse to see how that's the case. You protect the employer, the employee's rights are then open for violation"

You are absolutely wrong. I do not support any rights violations of employers or employees. Stop making erroneous claims.
Again, for the third time, have you read Atlas Shrugged?

Mr A wrote:why are you posting your thoughts after having read the book, in the thread, near the middle of the book, itself?

This thread is for the chapters bolded below at the end of the book.

PART III
A IS A
I ATLANTIS
II THE UTOPIA OF GREED
III ANTI-GREED
IV ANTI-LIFE
V THEIR BROTHERS' KEEPERS
VI THE CONCERTO OF DELIVERANCE
VII "THIS IS JOHN GALT SPEAKING"
VIII THE EGOIST
IX THE GENERATOR
X IN THE NAME OF THE BEST WITHIN US

The principle of individual rights applies to all individuals. Consumers, producers, etc.

But not moochers, looters, etc. Atlas Shrugged celebrates the right of the producer to control their product, and attacks the right of consumers to steal it. Her principle is that consumers should become producers in order to become alive.

You are right, in posting here, I read the Part and Chapters wrong in the heading, sorry about that.

Part 3 ch.9

Taggart is such a nihilist:

He was suddenly seeing the motive that had directed all the actions of his life. It was not his incommunicable soul or his love for others or his social duty or any of the fraudulent sounds by which he had maintained his self-esteem: it was the lust to destroy whatever was living, for the sake of whatever was not. It was the urge to defy reality by the destruction of every living value, for the sake of proving to himself that he could exist in defiance of reality and would never have to be bound by any solid, immutable facts.

He:

destroyed values for being values

Part 3 ch.10

This is important:

The rectangle of light in the acres of a farm was the window of the library of Judge Narragansett. He sat at a table, and the light of his lamp fell on the copy of an ancient document. He had marked and crossed out the contradictions in its statements that had once been the cause of its destruction. He was now adding a new clause to its pages: “Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of production and trade . . .”

Essentially separating state and economics, as in, an unregulated market: free market economics with a constitutionally limited government, laissez-faire capitalism.

You can learn more about such capitalism here on the Ayn Rand Institutes website:

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And many books deal with Rand’s ideas:
Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal by Ayn Rand
The Capitalist Manifesto: The Historic, Economic and Philosophic Case For Laissez-Faire by Andrew Bernstein
Free Market Revolution: How Ayn Rand’s Ideas Can End Big Government by Yaron Brook and Don Watkins
Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand by Leonard Peikoff