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The House of the Spirits; Rosa the Beautiful 
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I really didn't have much sympathy for Esteban. If he was in this day and age he would be considered a stalker. As for Rosa well she has her looks but that's about it.


Look at one of our current day's stalkers -

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/108 ... r-released

Shania's Twain's stalker - Palumbo's crazy about her - nothing's going to stop him. I read somewhere else yesterday, that he asked to see her - just once more!

Oh, man ... that's a man 'in love with love'.



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I never would of connected Barrabas like you guys. I just thought of him as some big Irish Wolfhound.


When I first saw the animal described, he was made out to be as big as a house - like some kinda giant dog. That's why I've been hoping to see him depicted in the movie that's on You Tube.



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I’m still thinking about the link between Barrabas and Uncle Marcos. Barrabas the biblical thief lived while Jesus died. The dog Barrabas arrives caged, and is set free, while Uncle Marcos has died. Do you think that together with his ‘magical books’ (the scriptures?) we are to see him as a Jesus figure.


No, fer gawd's sake! It's like Freud himself once said - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

(I first heard that on Star Trek - ha ha!)



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When he later marries Rosa's sister Clara as a sort of proxy, the omen of the death of Barrabas at the engagement party tells him very clearly that this relationship is not a simple path to social acceptance.


Now, I missed something there - I don't remember the dog dying. And yet I've read through it a couple of times and watched that first part of the movie.



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Oh and has anyone noticed the very long sentences she very successfully uses?


Some writers make their sentences so long and convoluted that you have to take a nap after reading a page just to rest up from all the thoughts crammed into one sentence, with the use of colons, dashes, just plain breaks and they never seem to get to the actual point of what they're saying, they just go on and and on and on and on.

Mmm hmmmm ...



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Sorry folks - I talked too much, I know.

I'm going to watch Part I of the movie just one more time. And then get on with discussing the next segment, of course.

I am enjoying this story immensely.



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Post Re: The House of the Spirits; Rosa the Beautiful
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Sorry folks - I talked too much, I know.



No, no. Keep it up.

I agree that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and long sentences and paragraphs that go on forever can make getting the point difficult. This can make reading more of a challenge, but sometimes the rewards are worth it.

Barrabas got to to free when Uncle Marco died, did he then have to be die in order for Estaban to claim his place in Clara's life? She was close to Uncle Marco and then she loved Barrabas. I don't know that she loved Estaban in the conventional way, but she stayed committed to him and she obviously cared about him in many way

Estaban is such an interesting character. I agree with your assessment of some of his positive qualities that we do have to admire. His other side, his self-centeredness, his inability to judge his own actions, or see his own actions in an objective view, makes him, at times, detestable. The narration movement from third person to first person helps us to be more sympathetic by realizing how biased his views of his own actions are. Even in the end, when he appears to grow as a person, his main worries are about himself, how he is treated, and what he stands to lose.



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Thanks for your thoughts, Realiz.



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