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Noah's Ark: Fact or Fantasy?

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Noah's Ark: Fact or Fantasy?What is your opinion on the Biblical story of Noah's Ark? Did it happen exactly as told in the Bible? Is the account partially correct or only slightly embellished? Or do you think the whole story has its basis in myth?
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I think the interesting thing about Noah and the Ark of the Covenant is it tells us a story about a God who regrets having created humanity. A God who laments over a series of dreadful mistakes: both the botched creation of humanity and the pathological punitivity to drown it. We get a chance to see the sting of conscience and remorse of God, as well as the terrific wrath of nature. Life on earth is a wretched struggle with deadly consequences...and there is the Rainbow.
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You know my answer! Obviously it is a story meant to teach a lesson.I mean lets look at it this way...if things were so bad with humanity way back THEN...where the hell is the flood to cleanse things NOW!Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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DissidentYep, very cool story. Now how about actually answering my questions? Quote:Did it happen exactly as told in the Bible? Is the account partially correct or only slightly embellished? Or do you think the whole story has its basis in myth?
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In case you think I'm asking whether or not you "care" if it actually happened I'll right now tell you that I'm clearly not asking that question. Let's make no mistakes about what I am asking. I am asking if you believe that the Bible story of Noah's ark is fact or fiction. Elaborate as much as you like, but please answer this question.
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Genesis, from which we find the story about Noah and the Ark, is Myth. It is also tells us a great deal about how humans have struggled, and still do, to make sense of life's joys and tragedies and everydayness.The story about Noah, of which there are two in Genesis, theoretically belonging to two authors: the J (Jahwist)author and the P (Priestly) author. Both authors revised this ancient tale to meet the theological and social needs of their respective communities. The stories, within the larger context of Genesis, attempt to explain some of life's more destructive components: lawlessness, grief, sadness, remorse, regret, anger, rage...and it says something about hope too. A new future, no matter how dark the past, is possible. This is a story about a moral God who expects moral behavior from Humans, and will hold them accountable...but must face the consequences of these terrifying demands.I think they reflect real and true human experiences with the awesome strength of nature, its seemingly amoral wrath, and how to rebuild families and communities after severe devastation.So, these catastrophies and the resulting struggle to survive and replenish lives are true: the narrative that conveys this truth is Myth.I don't think the Ark described in Genesis existed. Noah and his family may have been an actual community representing an actual survivor of a terrible catastrophe, expanded upon and elaborated into Mythic proportions. Following Katrina and recent Tsunamis I think it extremely plausible that these kinds of events destroyed what would seem to ancient minds to be the entire world. The story of Noah in Genesis is one way to tell that universal story.
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Thank you for answering quickly and directly. I agree with just about everything you said, but I only skimmed it as I'm preparing for dinner. I'll reply later. Good post.
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Well I don't believe it happened, in a literal sense anyway. I mean, two of every animal in the world, on one boat, made by one chap with a little help from his son's! Who could honestly take that literally? Full of Porn*http://plainofpillars.blogspot.com
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There are some who do indeed take it literally!Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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Given the number of variants in other traditions, it seems at least possible to me that there could have been widespread flooding in the Cradle of Civilization, widespread destruction and loss of life therefrom, and possibly even group of survivors who weathered the flooding on a boat of some kind. I wouldn't say it's particularly likely, but possible. The alternate explanation is that the story itself was so popular that it cropped up in various cultures, or that something in the story makes it likely to appear independently in the cultures of the region. As for the Noah story specifically, I'm inclined to believe that it was written as literature, not history, although it may have been adapted from earlier myths.
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