When people are in crisis, they can often allow reality to take a back seat, if it means their immediate needs can be met. When the situation is dire, we can see just what we want to see.

After the holocaust during WW2, certainly many Jews were traumatized, and seeking relief. In this sort of situation, it can be easier to persuade oneself of rather magical ideas, like God has given out a piece of real estate, or that after 2000 years, one can go back to one's roots, evicting those that have come in between. This is of course nonsense; if it were truly the case, virtually everyone on the planet could be on the move, claiming land and houses that were not theirs.

Israel is supreme today because of, for the most part, a monopoly on nuclear weapons in the region, massive financial and military support from the US, and the fact that nearby Arab states have tended to be in disarray in recent times.

The first factor is likely to change soon as Iran develops a nuclear bomb, which may encourage others in the region to do the same. The second depends on bribery and corruption within the US, which may not necessarily be counted on in the future. And the third seems to be changing now with the "Arab spring".

Sincere negociation seems the best route for Israel now, and the sooner the better. I doubt this will happen though, at least until a crisis occurs.

I bring up the religious perspective because I know it affects the way some view the situation. Those who believe the Bible to be factual also believe the land belongs to Israel and therefore in their eyes, Israel can do no wrong. So when presenting the question of who is right, Israel or Palestine, I believe the Bible and the Koran do play a role. Whether the Bible or the Koran are fictional or factual is not relevant if people have decided to look at the situation through the "lenses" of these writings. That is the only reason I mention this point. I think it is good that your main character brings up the common ground they have in Abraham as he questions their inability to find a resolution. Perhaps if we could bring Abraham back to life he might be able to help....just a little humor.

I believe God is using the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict to bring about the end of Abrahamic religious warfare and to establish a Universal Model for peaceful resolution of two or more ethnic groups claiming the same piece of territory. Those pointing out that the Bible is being used by Jews and American Christians to support Zionist Jewish claims to Palestine are correct and that's why it is so important for peace that the Bible's authority be exposed as fraudulent ancient Jewish myth-making. The archeological works of Finkelstein and Silberman should be promoted everywhere we can. I do it on other religious talkboards often risking banishment for doing so but still I do it because we who are sick and tired of Abrahamic religious wars have to act on our feelings or lie back and watch the slaughter of innocents go on and on and on.

Atheists. Why, instead of bashing this non-traditional Christian religious visionary, don't you join me in helping to spread The Bible Unearthed information far and wide as it isn't really religions you have your beefs with but bad religious ideas still controlling huge numbers of human beings. There's a real opportunity knocking now at Megiddo to expose all the Abrahamic religions as being based on the lies of ancient men and if the world can find out that the Bible stories are bogus then sooner or later intellectual Jews, jPauline Christians, and Muslims will realize their belief systems are in great error because there is no spiritual authority derived from lies and liars no matter how hoary their traditions.

Non-traditional Christians, non-Abrahamics, scholars and atheists can join forces to overthrow the violent Abrahamic religionists if we unite in common cause. But it's silly to devote so much energy to trashing religious beliefs in general when a much greater evil is operating to keep the world in war.

Again as I said before, as I did my research, I had to give the Palestinian side. The following excerpt from my book has my main character interviewing the Palestinian President – Mahmoud Abbas. Abbas’s responses are taken from some comments he has made in the past.

[John followed up with yet another question involving Gaza. “Do you see any end to this recent Gaza conflict?”
“Yes, we will see the last day of this military display in the Gaza Strip and move on to rebuilding areas which were destroyed by Israel. We will continue to follow up on these issues and our main goal is to prevent a situation where the Gaza Strip would be turned into a big prison. The Gaza Strip should be open to the world and the West Bank.”
John changed the line of questioning away from Gaza. “Do you see any chance of a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine?”
Abbas looked directly at the camera as he answered, “Until Israel withdraws completely and the Palestinian state is established, there can be no peace. Peace and security cannot be guaranteed by the construction of walls, by the erections of checkpoints and the confiscation of land, but rather the recognitions of rights.”
Knowing that they needed to get on with the main purpose of their mission here in the West Bank, John decided to ask his final question. “What is your hope for the future of Palestine?”
Ralph adjusted the camera lens for a close-up as Abbas answered. “There is a difficult mission ahead – to build our state, to achieve security for our people, to provide a good life for our people, to give our prisoners freedom, our fugitives a life of dignity and to reach our goal of an independent state. We affirm that we want to live in peace, security and stability next to the state of Israel.”]

Do you think there is any chance for a peaceful resolution between Israel and Palestine?

http://biomystic.org/canaanpeaceplan.htm

If I'm not banned by then I can do some firsthand reporting about the situation as I am in the process now of making arrangements for Paxcalibur's Keepership being transferred from the Melkite Catholic Church's Keeper in Nazareth to the Tent of Nations out of Bethlehem. Also Pax is going to become the "Golden Ruler" this year hopefully as the vision required the sword to be gold-plated at some point. When I saw the condition of the sword in 2010 the soft steel blade parts were rusting so it really does need a plating, and a new redwood burl slab as the one its on now also hasn't been cared for properly and is cracked and checked. Paxcalibur will be in another anti-Separation Wall demonstration this year too--at the Bi'lin fence. It's taken me until this year to get the funds for gold-plating Pax. But these plans are in their initial stages so I can't guarantee what will happen. But it's going to be another interesting year for me if things come together like they do when the Spirit puts me in motion.

Here's some synchronicity events that are happening right now to me with this Pax vision growing spiritually into the other great vision God's given me, the Christ Josephine one. If I haven't already told this here's what happened synchronistically so far in the spiritual connection process. It would help to see the Vision of Christ Josephine at: http://biomystic.org/josephine.htm and the Paxcalibur one at: http://biomystic.org/paxstory.htm to see what I'm referring to.

The Keeper of the Josephine Bundle is a Northern Cheyenne elder, David Littlewhiteman, who lives in Lame Deer, Montana. I lost his address and needed to include the then new Celestial Torah Christianity revelations into the Josephine Bundle for Josephine when She arrives. I have David's phone number but no one answers the phone, something not that uncommon in tribal communities. I'm in California and my only other contact to David is through my Bear River tribal partner's ex-wife and daughter, Littlewhiteman clan members who live on a rez outside Spokane. But she and daughter aren't speaking to my tribal friend and let me know this quite forcefully in a nasty email from the daughter's husband. What to do? The evening of the day I got the negative email from the hubby saying in effect get lost, no friend of dad's is welcome there, I received in two places on the internet, one in my Delphi account, and one on E-Bay of all places, from this person who was, well, not desperate but very interested in getting hold of me because she had stumbled across the Vision of Christ Josephine on a Google search about ankhs which are prominent now in the Josephine vision as you will see if you go to the website. It turns out this young woman glass sculptor craftsperson had made a glass ankh and discovered it seemed to have a healing power to it when she held it up to the light at dawn. She was led to research the ankh lore and found out about Horus of the Horizon who has his greatest powers at dawn and dusk. In the search she found the Josephine vision and was quite surprised because why? Because she's an enrolled tribal member of the Northern Cheyenne and she grew up in Lame Deer. I want all you atheists to note these coincidences and have your "explanations" ready to convince us all that nothing spiritual is going, only brain illusions. Not more than I'd say 6 hours passed between the time of utter rejection of the only way I had of contact with the Josephine Bundle Keeper in Lame Deer and suddenly this N. Cheyenne woman appears in my life and she's already offered to get a cousin or someone to go to find David. The synchronicity doesn't stop there. There was this gold connection (Horus=sun=gold symbolically)

This N. Cheyenne woman has been researching and trying to do alchemy, very into the esoteric knowledge of it, Kabbalah and Egyptian, and was and is involved right now in the very same chemicals I've been researching this last week about how to go about gold-plating Paxcalibur. It's important that Pax is plated with California gold as this is the Golden State and where the vision originated. We've been talking about our gold connections a lot as the commune I formed and lived on had an old gold mine and that's where I got interested in it, built a sluice box, panned for gold, never found any but then it turned up again in my life at my sister's place, another old gold mine site and rumors of gold in the well water of all places. Now Pax is going to be gold-plated. Not in here though as the price of sending Pax back here from Nazareth is outrageously expensive. Jerusalem or somewhere in Palestine or Egypt. And then Golden Ruler will be in the hands of Palestinians as their icon of ultimate victory.

I didn’t intend for this discussion to get into any kind of religious philosophical dialog of ones beliefs. However, I do realize that Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries and you can’t count out religion. But again, as the author of the novel, “The True Virus”, I tried to stay neutral. Here is another quote from my book. In this scene, two Israeli officers are chatting about Gaza just before they get their orders to invade.

“Moshe, why has Israel allowed Gaza to even exist? My dad fought in the 1967 Six Day War, and we took over this land.”
“I know Aaron. But our leaders gave in and signed the Oslo Accords. That agreement called for the Palestinian administration of the Gaza Strip.”
“But the damn Palestinians are fighting amongst themselves and now Hamas has control of Gaza. Now were going to fight the Al-Qassam Brigades. We need to annihilate these bastards and take Gaza back for Israel.”
Moshe looked around at the massive force of both tanks and troops and realized how easy it would be to destroy and get rid of Hamas in Gaza. But he also realized the political ramifications of such action. “Our job is to prevent the Al-Qassam Brigades from firing rockets at Israel. Let the politicians decide who will control the Gaza Strip.”
“But Moshe, that’s been the whole problem. All they’ll do is have another cease fire. As long as we allow these Palestinian terrorist groups to exist, we’ll have one war after another. We’ve got the capability here and now for taking over and destroy Gaza.”
“What about the innocent civilians? And, what good will it do to destroy all the buildings in Gaza. We are only here to stop the Hamas terrorists from being a threat to Israel.”

Again, let me ask; “Will there ever be peace between Israel and Palestine?”

I would apologize for commandeering this thread to interject my own Israeli-Palestine agenda but I'm a dedicated peace activist and not above using any venue to promote peace in the Holy Land--which will only come about when Westerners realize what a horrible and huge Crime Against Humanity was committed when Western powers with America at the head of Zionist collusion created the moral monstrosity that is Israel, a European Jewish colony stuck in the heart of the Muslim Middle East and done so for blatantly political reasons of Western control of Middle East countries. Westerners have yet to understand that to Palestinians there's no difference between what Israelis have done to them and what Hitler's Nazis did in invading and occupying European nations. The Palestinian resisters see themselves in the same light that French Resistance fighters saw themselves and that attitude is the prevailing one which only gets mitigated when jobs are at stake that support families. Until Westerners realize that there is no right of Israelis in Palestine, never was one, that Palestine is not a political chip on Western powers game boards, there will be no peace. Your book seems like it will only contribute more to trying to justify European colonial occupation of Palestine by legitimizing Israeli conversations about their fascist takeover and occupation methods. You are not addressing fundamental moral issues because if you did, you could not support any Israeli nationalism at the expense of the indigenous population. The Germans who invaded Poland had no right to be there even when they made claims that Poland was once part of the German empire. And those were Europeans. When Europeans make claims to Middle East lands based on fictitious myths of origin that never happened, well, we get the mess of Israel don't we?

Time to expose the true source of conflict in the Holy Land. Jewish hubris and Western powers greed for control of Middle East oil reserves.

sonoman wrote:when Westerners realize what a horrible and huge Crime Against Humanity was committed when Western powers with America at the head of Zionist collusion created the moral monstrosity that is Israel, a European Jewish colony stuck in the heart of the Muslim Middle East and done so for blatantly political reasons of Western control of Middle East countries.

Amen sonoman, amen

i agree.

sonoman wrote:When Europeans make claims to Middle East lands based on fictitious myths of origin that never happened, well, we get the mess of Israel don't we?

well said.

Let me say again, that as I did my research on the Israeli/Palestine conflict for my novel (The True Virus), I found it hard to take sides. So I just concentrated on the facts and let my characters give their points of view on what’s happening in their lives with regards to the struggles they faced.
Here’s a good article I found helpful. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_right_ ... _Palestine

When you research the truth of what has gone on over there over the many centuries, there is no doubt that Israel deserves her land. There was no palestinian people, they made a people to try to claim the region from Israel. They are actually mostly turkish. And those who said that about WII haven't researched it. Israel was promised a land agreement by britian. Churchill went back on the agreement and gave most of the land promised to the Jews to the muslims. The Jews have had to fight for everything they have. Gaza is part of the original land that they were given, both by God, and by britian, its also part of what they won back in the six day war. People need to back up off Israel and see who the true terror is. Who is attacking all nations and not just them.