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OMG OMGGGGGGGGG! And I don't even have a G! :lol:
I was hoping that came from a news parody site, then I made the mistake of watching the video. The interviewer asks Trump about standing if front of the wall of stars at the CIA "When does all of that {inauguration crowd size, Time covers, rally crowd size etc} matter just a little less?" Trump evidently does not understand the precise question and answers by lying about the CIA audience reaction to his speech and the way it was reported in the media. His response proves crowd adulation and such NEVER matter a little less, they are ALWAYS of utmost importance! (Can anyone find a video showing a standing ovation "longer than Peyton's"? )

I have been struggling to hold out hope for the best while expecting the worst. That hope is already gone - we are F'd by this 14 year old F-Tard. OMG... But as I said before, this is indeed what the American people wanted - otherwise why would we have elected him? :x
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Team politics is why he was elected.

We have the misfortune that he gained the republican party's nomination after beating out the other horrid candidates they put forward.

And because politics has become a team sport where nothing matters but seeing your team on top, this transparently corrupt, foolish, self deceptive, naïve, complete idiot of a man got elected. By a mere 63 of our 300 million citizens.

This is a travesty and a national disgrace with a real world possibility of crippling our nation.
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Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?

Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?

Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?
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Robert Tulip wrote:
geo wrote:He is not going to abandon his core ideas because they are unpopular.
I agree that Trump probably won't change his "core ideas" because he doesn't listen to anyone and is not beholden to pesky things like facts or evidence. He goes by his gut. He's going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it despite the fact that more Mexicans are leaving the U.S than coming in at this point in time.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/m ... o-the-u-s/

Also, a wall is not effective to stop illegal immigrants from coming in. Can't you just use a ladder to go over the wall? Or dig under it? The idea is preposterous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzNM6ZEko9A
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It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, hoping a wall will achieve anything. It will still need to be patrolled, because unless we're watching, they'll just climb over. Even with us watching, they'll get it down to a science pretty quick and the wall will add 4 minutes to their immigration. Even then, the premise is wrong as Geo says. More are leaving than coming.

If we want to spend 10 billion on border defense, spend it on something scalable, like a drone swarm. Purchase a thousand drones at 100 grand each(the specs don't need to be great). Just IR, camera, gps, and not much else. The drones that have solar panels on their wings and stay in flight for a long time. I'm sure we have something that already fits the bill and can damn near take off and land by itself.

Thinking from the gut is the most irritating thing. The conclusions a person comes to are so transparently wrong, as are the reasons behind them.

We're going to build this wall just in time for Trump to royally screw our country, then the wall will backfire and keep us in when everyone wants to leave. That's the sort of irony that gets born from idiots like Trump.
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The wall won't be built. First, he has to come up with the money but he also promised to cut taxes which sort of screws that up unless he actually gets Mexico to pay for it which he hasn't and won't and there is not a thing he can do to force them to. He floated a 20% tariff on all products from Mexico but that just screws Americans who will have to pay more for crap and he's already walking it back knowing Americans will be pissed. He's already raiding other govt programs for money but that won't be anywhere close to enough even if he builds it for $10 billion, which he won't. I'm telling you, no matter anyone says, that wall will be $100 billion before it's done.

Then he has lawsuits from governors of states bordering Mexico who don't want that wall in their states. Ranchers don't want it because they need access to the Rio Grande and it's cutting through their private property on top of that. They too are threatening lawsuits. At least one Indian tribe is threatening a lawsuit because the wall would cut them off from their ancestral lands. Then you have several environmental groups threatening lawsuits because a wall could endanger the survival of a number of species. And even if all these suits were settled in favor of Trump it would still take years. His term would be over.

Then when we understand that most illegals don't sneak over the border anyway, the whole point is moot. Most come here on legal temporary visas and then let them expire and don't return to Mexico. Then, as pointed out, the illegal immigration rate is falling. Most of the people coming over the border are smugglers and you can never keep smugglers out for long. They're like insects and will ALWAYS find a way in no matter what you do.

And because we're dealing with Trump, there are bound to be lawsuits from contractors complaining that they weren't paid.

Lastly, I'd like to ask why Trump isn't going after remittances like he said during the campaign. Remember? He said that Mexico will pay for the wall by the US cutting off payments of money being sent home to Mexico by illegal immigrants. He said it made up about $25 billion a year of Mexico's economy. Now, all the sudden not a word about going after remittances. Maybe he found out the truth of what Obama told him about trying it: "Good luck with that."
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While it's true that over the past few years more Mexicans have returned to Mexico than immigrated here, it may also be true that at the Mexican border the number of illegal crossings is about the same or even rising. This would be due to more Central Americans fleeing violence in their countries. Once they cross Mexico's southern border, they become Mexico's problem, in the eyes of many in the U.S. To tell the truth, I can't pin down the comparative numbers; I've only seen statements. Maybe someone else can do better.

But it's a good idea to have the facts right, because that's the best way to separate ourselves from Trump. The fact that fewer Mexicans are crossing illegally wouldn't be part of a valid rebuttal of the need to build a wall if the overall numbers haven't decreased.
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In his speech at CIA, Trump recounted the weather during his 18-minute inaugural address. I listened to it on radio, and the description given of the sky mirrored my view of it from where I was 35 miles away: completely overcast, light drizzle. The weather report was another lie by the dishonest media, though. Trump tells us how it really was:

"It was almost raining, but God looked down and he said, 'we're not going to let it rain on your speech.' In fact, when I first started, I said, oh, no. The first line, I got hit by a couple of drops. And I said, oh, this is too bad, but we'll go right through it. But the truth is that it stopped immediately. It was amazing. And then it became really sunny. And then I walked off and it poured right after I left. It poured."

Dana Milbank, who brings up Trump's altered realities in a column, checked a time-lapse 360 degree video of the speech and confirmed, just to be completely certain, that there was no break in the clouds. Milbank continues:

"I rehash this weather history because it's not subject to debate. This is tantamount to Trump declaring black is white or day is night. It was overcast, and he declared that it was 'really sunny.' This disconnect from reality is my biggest fear about Trump, more than any one policy he has proposed. My worry is the president of the United States is barking mad." If so, it would follow that he can be removed from office under the 25th Amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
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DWill wrote:While it's true that over the past few years more Mexicans have returned to Mexico than immigrated here, it may also be true that at the Mexican border the number of illegal crossings is about the same or even rising. This would be due to more Central Americans fleeing violence in their countries. Once they cross Mexico's southern border, they become Mexico's problem, in the eyes of many in the U.S. To tell the truth, I can't pin down the comparative numbers; I've only seen statements. Maybe someone else can do better.

But it's a good idea to have the facts right, because that's the best way to separate ourselves from Trump. The fact that fewer Mexicans are crossing illegally wouldn't be part of a valid rebuttal of the need to build a wall if the overall numbers haven't decreased.
The numbers crossing are about the same because there are other illegals crossing. But that doesn't help Trump's case. His spiel is that the crossings are completely out of control when, in fact, beefed up security at the border has GREATLY reduced the number of illegal crossings in the last 10 years. The need for a wall cannot be justified. At best, we can beef up security a bit more but a wall is an expensive, overblown response. And it won't happen anyway.
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Trump's delusions are so severe, he has now replaced the joint chiefs of staff with Steve Fucking Bannon. Bannon is now IN CHARGE of our national security. Does that make you sleep better at night? Well, that will teach the intelligence community to say that Russia hacked the DNC and influenced the election for Trump and cast aspersions on his buddy Putin. So he puts a white supremacist in charge of the nation's security--a man who hates racial minorities, Jews and women (much like Trump himself)--who warns the press that they had best shut up. Well, I find that extremely alarming. David Duke must be having his first orgasm in years.

Then Bannon authors the executive orders to ban Muslims from such countries as Iraq. Yet, Trump is talking about wiping out ISIS. ISIS is in Iraq, that's their home!! Without Iraqi support, we cannot hope to get near ISIS. So they ban Iraqi immigrants for at least the next 120 days (don't be surprised if it turns into an indefinite period)!! Well, that will certainly melt their hearts and make them want to help us!
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