Obviously it IS relevant IF she interpreted "so help me God" erroneously because her actions were perceived by her person as justified.
It's not relevant to you, Geo, because you are intolerant and illiberal towards all things related to religion in society because youve been brainwashed by celebrity atheism like a pimple faced teenager.
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
Taylor,
I did not say her specific actions were CAUSED by the language of the writen oath.
I questioned if the oath itself is subject to potential misunderstanding or wrongful interpretation.
Unknowingly, you actually fed straw fodder to the resident rabid secular fundamentalists.
Be careful. They bite.
I did not say her specific actions were CAUSED by the language of the writen oath.
I questioned if the oath itself is subject to potential misunderstanding or wrongful interpretation.
Unknowingly, you actually fed straw fodder to the resident rabid secular fundamentalists.
Be careful. They bite.
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
Let's be clear about this again, people.
I have not supported Kim Davis's refusal to provide marriage licenses to anyone.
I AM interested in RFRA and the compromise it may offer Davis.
I support compromise and tolerance anytime and anywhere it can be achieved.
I am not selectively tolerant (ie "yay for gay rights. Nay for religious freedom!")
I have not supported Kim Davis's refusal to provide marriage licenses to anyone.
I AM interested in RFRA and the compromise it may offer Davis.
I support compromise and tolerance anytime and anywhere it can be achieved.
I am not selectively tolerant (ie "yay for gay rights. Nay for religious freedom!")
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
Ant:
I did not say her specific actions were CAUSED by the language of the writen oath.
I never thought you were stating the oath was causal, my apologies if I came off that way.
The oath seems void of the separation of church and state, the oath as it is written, lends itself to misinterpretation along the lines you suggest, I question whether a federal case is necessary to resolve the vagary. I thought your link to the Bloomberg article was clear in its background description of how the misinterpretation can come about, which is why I'm in agreement with Geo's statement that the oath is sworn to the people and not to God. I am given to understand that the RFRA is designed to confront a systemic disparity in regards to law. In this instance it seems that the one in violation of law was the clerk which I think we all agree to be true.I questioned if the oath itself is subject to potential misunderstanding or wrongful interpretation.
I personally was not under the impression that this was an accusation leveled toward you or your position. I just suggest that the people (public) are not the ones in need of a compromise position, I was suggesting the onus is on Mrs. Davis, something I think you agreed with.I am not selectively tolerant (ie "yay for gay rights. Nay for religious freedom!")
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
I do care about Kim Davis' beliefs because she's using them to infringe upon other people's freedoms. For questioning Kim Davis' intolerance, I'm being intolerant and illiberal? That's an interesting way of looking at it I guess.ant wrote:Obviously it IS relevant IF she interpreted "so help me God" erroneously because her actions were perceived by her person as justified.
It's not relevant to you, Geo, because you are intolerant and illiberal towards all things related to religion in society because youve been brainwashed by celebrity atheism like a pimple faced teenager.
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
You are, and ant is being intolerant at your intolerance of Kim Davis' intolerance. His behavior is intolerable.geo wrote:For questioning Kim Davis' intolerance, I'm being intolerant and illiberal?
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
Well dang it, seem this "thing" has fizzled out. Marriage licenses are being issued while Davis and her supporters are left merely to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt as to the validity of those licenses. A few folks predicted a quick end of this and it appears at the moment you are correct.A motion by Kim Davis -- the anti-gay marriage clerk in Kentucky -- to halt a requirement that she issue marriage licenses to gay couples was denied by a federal appeals court Tuesday.
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9/15/15 5:55 p.m.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/k ... s-governor
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When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood.
Isaiah 1:15
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21: 23 - 25
When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood.
Isaiah 1:15
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21: 23 - 25
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
LanDroid wrote:Well dang it, seem this "thing" has fizzled out. Marriage licenses are being issued while Davis and her supporters are left merely to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt as to the validity of those licenses. A few folks predicted a quick end of this and it appears at the moment you are correct.A motion by Kim Davis -- the anti-gay marriage clerk in Kentucky -- to halt a requirement that she issue marriage licenses to gay couples was denied by a federal appeals court Tuesday.
Tierney Sneed
9/15/15 5:55 p.m.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/k ... s-governor
Didnt I tell you that wouod happen? That the show woukd go on?
Her laywers are dumb. They went about things the wrong way.
Ill have to find out what their reasoning was.
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
I found this site dedicated to RFRA, I haven't had a chance to peruse it yet, so I have no opinion of its value.
http://rfraperils.com/about/
http://rfraperils.com/about/
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Re: Drama in Kentucky and "So help me God"
Taylor wrote:I found this site dedicated to RFRA, I haven't had a chance to peruse it yet, so I have no opinion of its value.
http://rfraperils.com/about/
I know your heart was in the right place, but this is an extreme lefty sight.
I personally review case interpretation and implementation of RFRA, directly from court transcripts.
This is a website someone like Interbane would favor.