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ant wrote:This anger about the acceptance of an underlining intelligence as a First Cause definitely has its roots in unresloved subconscious pathologies. Likely it relates to abandonment/anger issues at the most early stages of pscho-social development.
It's more curiosity than anger ant. Look at Brother Bob's posts. You can't tell me his delusional worldview isn't fascinating. He utterly believes it, with all his heart. Yet he's so obviously wrong. How is it possible that someone is motivated to make so many posts on an online forum about a fictional worldview that he believes is real? It will intrigue me to the day I die.
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You must not have understood what we meant by strawman the last thousand times we mentioned it. Do you think we're lying or making it up? Abandon this trope ant. Authority is useful. Delusion is not. Stop conflating the two as the thing atheists reject.
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I also find it fascinating that neo atheism both rejects and accepts the conception of God as a father figure.
Its willingness to continually anthropomorphize god is a cathartic attempt at alleviating existential angst.
In this case its nearly entirely an attempt at healing psychological aloneness, caused by abandonment

The surragate parent that reestablishes authority and security in an insecure environment becomes any man-made institution that offers certainty. In this case, for the argumentative anti religious neo atheist, its Science.
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My point and question remains this:

Certainly in a timeless infinite universe where everything you see came from absolutely Nothing, a God can exist in all this magical something/nothingness.
Why are neo atheists so fearful of that?
Anger is fear.
Why be angry about it as well?

Is it because neo atheists want evolution accepted without reservation?
Is tbat all it really is?
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Geo, I am in no way shape or form claim to be a scientist, rather a theologian that can hear sound science. Let's give you some knowledge that I have gathered over the years.

1) If the Big Bang theory is correct, which many scientists claim is the right method of creation - actually backing up the Bible claims that God spoke and the universe was created. They claim all matter was created in less than 3 seconds. Sounds like God to me.

2) When the Big Bang says all matter was created from an explosion the size of a pen head. Which is just bogus. But no matter what, when an explosion takes place matter is thrust in an specific manner. However, upon further inspection we see that the moons of the universe do not rotate in the same direction. MAKING THE BIG BANG THEORY IMPOSSIBLE! Plus, Venus and Uranus rotate in the opposite direction of clockwise.

3) In measuring the universe by the speed of light we have a major problem. It is currently measured at 198,000 mph. However, scientist think that the speed could be much slower than it previously was. This would throw off any possible calculation of the universe.

These are great points to start
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Ant, when you talk about Father figures. What if God made father figures to be an example of him? When they are great they are wonderful. Pointing us to the creator the Father of all mankind.
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ant wrote:Its willingness to continually anthropomorphize god is a cathartic attempt at alleviating existential angst.
The atheist anthropomorphizes god?

Genesis 1:27 "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
Certainly in a timeless infinite universe where everything you see came from absolutely Nothing, a God can exist in all this magical something/nothingness.
Why are neo atheists so fearful of that?
Anger is fear.
Why be angry about it as well?
You're still not getting it ant. Anything can exist in a timeless, infinite universe. Anything. An infinite number of things beyond our imagining. So it's not about what might exist, it's about what we have evidence to show exists. There is nothing showing a god exists, yet people like Brother Bob claim they have proof, meanwhile rejecting the entirety of human knowledge.

It isn't anger or fear, although I understand why you want to believe that. It's not in your interest to accept the real motive; the search for truth. The desire to teach people critical thinking, to see the change come over them as they realize they've been relying on heuristics rather than tried and true methods.
Is it because neo atheists want evolution accepted without reservation?
Is tbat all it really is?
Not without reservation. I wouldn't accept the existence of the titanic right in front of me without reservation. It's about perspective. The amount of evidence showing evolution to be true is so massive, from so many different fields converging on the same conclusion, that it's a titanic sitting in front of us. Yet it's rejected for a book written by men. You can't tell me you don't see the irony here. Come up with all the atheist motives you want to make yourself feel better, but you'll be missing the point and creating straw men the entire time. I'm telling you the motive. I guarantee you'll ignore me and some point in the future create another straw man.
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brother bob wrote:Ant, when you talk about Father figures. What if God made father figures to be an example of him? When they are great they are wonderful. Pointing us to the creator the Father of all mankind.
My point was that atheists are willing to engage in discussions about an anthropomorphic god that is parent-like, and speak of "Him" unfavorably because the need still exists.
In this case its a need to vent anger at and fear of abandonment.
Want to win favor with a neo atheist? Share his or her anger. Suffer with them in loneliness.
Reject authority because it rejected you at the most needy of times.
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How about that there is a Father that is more than perfect - it is utopia. That is part of the book.
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brother bob wrote:How about that there is a Father that is more than perfect - it is utopia. That is part of the book.
Neo atheism rejects the idea of supernatural perfection, but yet is utterly conflicted with itself by positing the idea of a ultimate materialistic "natural" theory of everything.
It is a different, yet rebellious way of seeking God - like Perfection.

Neo atheists are our prodigal sons and daughters trying to find their way home.
PPsychologically they are as dominated by emotions as their estranged siblings.
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My book proves that nature does point to God! I agree that when natural laws are seen and observed shows such order that makes it impossible to deny that when proving a God does exist, that there must be only one way to him. Just like natural laws have only one means that must be adhered to or consequences will be suffered. God making such natural laws that are so stringent would make God insane to make a spiritual system that is so chaotic by having so many ways to him.
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