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Debunking the claim Trump said " all Mexicans are rapists" propaganda

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Debunking the claim Trump said " all Mexicans are rapists" propaganda

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You have heard this one before. The gross dishonestly from the left that Trump said "all Mexican immigrants are rapists."

You've witnessed this falsehood disseminated mostly by white people who oppose every single thing the Trump administration says or does, all while ignoring the positive achievements, most recently peace talk objectives and achievements in the middle east that previous administrations have left office after having bombed the region relentlessly.

But back to the aforementioned propaganda. Let's look at exactly what Trump said regarding this topic, in context:

“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [...] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”
This is obviously not a shot at all Mexicans. I, myself am a Mexican. I did not take that statement to mean that "we" all are rapist, or that all immigrants are rapists. I interpreted to mean that some are indeed law abiding citizens and some have criminal histories attached to them, up to and including sexual assault.

Look at these fallacious blanket statements by journalists, immediately after Trump's comment:

The New York Times: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”

Time Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”

Associated Press: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”

CBS News: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”

L.A. Times: “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”

Fortune: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”

Hollywood Reporter: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”

Huffington Post: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”

The Washington Post: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”

Now go back and look at exactly what Trump said.
You may disagree with the man, even hate him at a deranged level, but this type of word play can be done to anyone.
It was done to Bernie Sanders.


You may not like the fact that some immigrants who cross over illegally do in fact have criminal records. But the FACT is that SOME do.
You many appreciate the fact that some immigrants who cross over illegally are law abiding people with no criminal backgrounds. SOME indeed are.


This type of propaganda insults the sensibilities of many people of color and is committed mostly by white people wanting to emotionally arouse a voting block of a specific color strictly as a means to gain support.
It is a form of exploitation and should not be indulged.


Note:

I did not vote for Trump and am not a "Trumper"
I likely will not vote for him again.

The primary reason I seem to jump to his defense is to expose the utter hypocrisy the Democrats do not want discussed.
People of color have turned into the lefts mascots. Gone are the days when the representation was close to genuine. It no longer is.
This is all about getting back power.
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Re: Debunking the claim Trump said " all Mexicans are rapists" propaganda

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Trump didn’t say that all Mexicans are rapists and he didn’t say it many years ago. Why bring this up now?
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Re: Debunking the claim Trump said " all Mexicans are rapists" propaganda

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Trump gets nailed for the "rapists" statement for a reason similar to Hilary Clinton being raked over the coals for her "deplorables" remark. It's what each chose to emphasize about a group. Remember, HC said half of Trump supporters are "a basket of deplorables." That's politics.
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Re: Debunking the claim Trump said " all Mexicans are rapists" propaganda

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I've never heard anyone paraphrase what Trump said as all Mexicans are rapists. Indeed, the word "all" is missing from the various headlines that Ant posted.

What Trump actually said was: ". . . They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

It was an intentionally provocative statement with racist overtones that appealed to Trump's base and at the same time raised the hackles of progressives. So win-win for the Trump campaign.
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Murmur wrote:Trump didn’t say that all Mexicans are rapists and he didn’t say it many years ago. Why bring this up now?

A couple of days ago Harry wrote he did.

Thanks for asking
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geo wrote:I've never heard anyone paraphrase what Trump said as all Mexicans are rapists. Indeed, the word "all" is missing from the various headlines that Ant posted.

What Trump actually said was: ". . . They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

It was an intentionally provocative statement with racist overtones that appealed to Trump's base and at the same time raised the hackles of progressives. So win-win for the Trump campaign.

Not really correct.

The implication from the word play was intended to incite a storm that he said Mexicans are rapists.
It was all over social media when it happened and Harry did the same exact thing a couple of days ago.

It's also effin stupid to get defensive over what is in fact true, that some immigrants indeed have criminal backgrounds.

Time Magazine "Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists"

The blanket statements I posted above by major media outlets are CLEARLY meant to be read as an all encompassing statement. Stop pretending they aren't

It's amateur hour when you insist that it is anything else than what it was.
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DWill wrote:Trump gets nailed for the "rapists" statement for a reason similar to Hilary Clinton being raked over the coals for her "deplorables" remark. It's what each chose to emphasize about a group. Remember, HC said half of Trump supporters are "a basket of deplorables." That's politics.

Only difference is Hilary did not add a disclaimer to her statement by saying something like "And I assume not all of Trump's supporters are deplorable"

Do you think all of Trump's supporters are deplorable?
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Re: Debunking the claim Trump said " all Mexicans are rapists" propaganda

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Since this post was prompted by what Harry recently wrote, I will quote it again here:
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Harry wrote:

So I would just note that his projection onto Mexican immigrants is glaring for all to see. Pointing the finger and calling them rapists. Huh.




Nobody called Mexican immigrants rapists, Harry.
Rapists (who have indeed crossed the border illegally) were called exactly what they are, RAPISTS.



Harry knows this but is simply playing along with the narrative as it relates specifically to this accusation that went viral a while back.
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Re: Debunking the claim Trump said " all Mexicans are rapists" propaganda

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ant wrote:Not really correct.

The implication from the word play was intended to incite a storm that he indeed say Mexicans are rapists.
It was all over social media when it happened and Harry did the same exact thing a couple of days ago.

Please, stop fondling words here to suit your defense
I disagree. The word "all" is a crucial modifier in your assertion of "gross dishonestly" from the left. None of the headlines you listed use the word "all." But you do in your zeal to make a strawman.

Certainly the liberal media did have a field day with Trump's statement, but as DWill pointed out, that's politics. Our politicians are in the spotlight. They should be careful what they say. Either way, Trump's message is unambiguous in the implication that many (if not most—but not all!) Mexican immigrants are rapists and murderers. Though some, he assumes, are good people.

Finally, I don't see how quoting Trump verbatim can be seen as "fondling" words. Exactness of language is crucial in expressing one's thoughts. (Alas, I don't think Trump will ever understand this and if you read his original statement, you will be hard pressed to find much in the way of exactness of thought or language).

As Orwell famously said, "Most people who bother with the matter at all would admit that the English language is in a bad way . . ." Our language is regularly misused and abused, especially in the service of political demagoguery. As such, the decline of writing and politics goes hand in hand.

https://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/po ... sh/e_polit
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I disagree and am of the opinion you are being grossly dishonest here.

We can leave it at that
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