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The hysteria is unfortunate but it is warranted. There is a lot to get hysterical about. It doesn't help but it is warranted.
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Interbane wrote:
ant wrote:You should see sections of LA... a bunch of dumb bastards totally ignoring the current social distance guidelinees.
Ant, what are things like there? Still people ignorance social distance guidelines?

The hospitals here in Michigan are starting to get overwhelmed. We're bracing.

The numbers of infected in Michigan are doubling every 3 or 4 days but that's likely due to lack of testing. The true number of infect in Michigan some fear may be about 100,000.

It has also struck Navy ships at sea and THAT is scary! What happens if and when our ships can't be manned safely anymore?
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Interbane wrote:
ant wrote:You should see sections of LA... a bunch of dumb bastards totally ignoring the current social distance guidelinees.
Ant, what are things like there? Still people ignorance social distance guidelines?

The hospitals here in Michigan are starting to get overwhelmed. We're bracing.

I drove to get essentials this past Tuesday. Places like Chief Auto Parts and Office Depot had a lot of activity for a shelter in place order having already been announced. Those two business types are not listed (as far as my understanding goes) as "essential" business. You might be able to stretch Chief Auto, but Office Depot??!! Too many people going in and out of Chief Auto.. It looked very much like business as usual.

Things are quieter at night where I live.. A few people out walking their dogs but for the most part it's pretty still in the evenings.

Parks have been closed because some of them in the city aren't very large and there were complaints posted on Twitter and Facebook that too many people were crowding certain areas (Silverlake, Runyan Canyon). I saw some of the posted pics. It seemed no different than what my familiarity with the foot traffic there is like normally.

I'm not sure how big hospitals like Kaiser are doing here in the heart of the city (where I'm at). I haven't heard a whole lot about any of them being overwhelmed.

I think what's not being mentioned is that some hospitals are overwhelmed because more people are going in with symptoms that aren't necessarily related to COVID19. Add the recent report that some of these tests are giving false positives and false negatives you've got yourself a monumental mess.

This morning I decided to take a break from the news.. Sometimes its a bit overwhelming..
The "infodemic" is probably worse than the pandemic itself.

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What i’m Gathering is that the active booktalk contributors are so far so good, I’m glad to see that, if it’s true. From my perspective I’m still working and depending on whether people pay attention to the guidelines for hygiene and social distancing life should stay that way. We as a country have put this thing in motion and now we have to play it out. For most of us, life is either hazy or is going to be. I don’t agree that this situation is surreal, I think that it is appropriate. This whole scenario is entirely a leisure class phenomenon that has been spread by, well, the leisure class, this includes the business class as well. If I have a resentment, it is purely that the people who are responsible for the spread are the ones demanding these quarantine actions, and of course we have ignoramuses running around making matters worse.

We live in libertarian times and this is a libertarian dilemma.
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I went to town today to get perishable foods. I did my due diligence, grabbing the sanitizing wipe from the entry, dousing everything in vodka on the way out, etc.

In between, it blew my mind to see these people I know walking right up to me, face to face, to have happy discussions. Naturally, I backed up a bit, and they scowled at me.

To some people, it's a challenge. They demand to know who's taking this stupidity seriously. They want to know if you're one of the crazies. And I'm not sure what to think...

Sorry for the offense, but the people who've done this are Republicans. I know... I live in a town of 3 thousand. It shouldn't be political, but for some strange reason, the memetics of this are entrenched based on political affiliation.

If this flattens and halts in the next day or two, I'm going to be a die-hard republican. because there's something with the math that I'm missing.

Is Trump stupid? Are Republicans stupid? What am I missing? Are the internet algorithms preventing me from seeing the stupidity of Democrats? I see all the hatred from both sides and dig deep, and it's always the Republican side that I disagree with... I'm uncertain as always.
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Germ terror is being used to infantilize us, so that governments can pass abusive legislation. The US had great success doing that after 9/11, and now ALL govts are being given a chance to take away their citizens' rights. We're being prepped for the one-world banking government that the man in the video below talks about. His summary from about the 9:00 minute mark to the end is very good. All of the big-name communists, socialists and fascists in world history were pikers compared to the high rollers currently at the table:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz2Yvo8091M

We have a new Chinese-made virus that's bad, but it's just another virus. You've been spooked with stories of horrible deaths, but what death isn't horrible? Once the US govt finishes writing a blank check for the Federal Reserve, the pandemic will fade and we'll move on to another manufactured crisis.

Director General of World Health Organization Severely Overstated the Fatality Rate of the Coronavirus
He also changed the name of the virus from "Wuhan virus" to "Covid-19" after a 20 million dollar "donation" from the ChiComs.
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/exclusive- ... n-history/

Neil Ferguson, Doctor Behind Coronavirus Imperial College Study, Revises Predictions (oops)
dailycaller.com/2020/03/26/neil-ferguso ... -doomsday/

Covid-19 is no longer a high consequence infectious disease in the UK (but the BBC neglected to tell people that)
Thank God this guy made this video. Before long they'll crash the internet so that bits of truth like this can't circulate.
youtube.com/watch?v=wXBos0FmTmc&fea ... e=emb_logo

Why Is No One Discussing This Data From The CDC? (Conflating flu numbers with Covid numbers?)
"...there are often thousands (sometimes as high as 9 thousand!) cases reported in a particular week…Except for this year, where the highest cases reported totaled 271 in a particular week."
investmentwatchblog.com/why-is-no-one-d ... s-sources/

A Death Sentence, For Your Own Protection
"As these words are written, governors throughout America have issued orders (without resort to any statutes or legislation) shuttering thousands of businesses and terminating tens of millions of workers. Some 70 million Americans are now imprisoned in their residences, needing government permission even to walk to a park. The U.S. Justice Department is calling openly for indefinite detentions and a suspension of habeas corpus."
lewrockwell.com/2020/03/roger-roots/a-d ... rotection/

Six months in jail for standing too close to strangers? Countries worldwide roll out draconian measures to fight Covid-19
rt.com/news/484234-coronavirus-authorit ... wn-prison/
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So, I posted and ran because my phone vibrated and I took the call.

KS is a freak who should be banned from this site. (Just my recommendation)

The libertarian issue stands to reason. @ Interbane: there should be no uncertainty about your thoughts on this, It’s not a GOP thing or a Democrat thing. Libertarianism does not have a political party, it is broadcast room economics.

We are witnessing PSfB being pushed to respond to a genuine dilemma, what other outcome should we expect? . Conservatively we can side with some pretty drastic actions, but I question whether we are pushing the limits of the bill of rights.

I’m less interested in how regionally we are dealing with this because it will be dealt with. (Not to sound cold, just to write that we will all suffer) .

I do not think that what we are a part of has any historical precedent. Even during the guilted age when the leisure class thrived, there was substantial steerage class passengers. No, this thing (covid-19) its unique in that its spread is directly attributable to tourism and business travelers.

There’s no algorithm for this. PSfB represents the leisure class, his lackeys represent the same.

The general public is going to pay the bill in the end and you’re correct, to much wasting of time can be considered a GOP fault but lately what isn’t?.

I’m kinda a social distanter by nature (bit of a misanthrope I am) but that doesn’t falsify my logic. Some middle class person goes to a traditional market, a market that lacks hygiene standards, that middle class (perhaps Chinese) returns to their home life and job, passes on a virus to an associate and so on and so forth. A traditional whim, a butterfly effect and the world is in pandemic. Globe Trotting trolls, libertarians, the leisure class.
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KS wrote:Covid-19 is no longer a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK (but the BBC neglected to tell people that)
Thank God this guy made this video. Before long they'll crash the internet so that bits of truth like this can't circulate.
youtube.com/watch?v=wXBos0FmTmc&fea ... e=emb_logo
Changing the HCID designation merely acknowledges Covid-19 does not have a death rate as high as Ebola, MERS, and some other diseases. They also state "the need to have a national, coordinated response remains," including the following.
  • Stay at home
  • Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
  • If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
  • Wash your hands as soon as you get home
  • Do not meet others, even friends or family.
  • You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.
Obviously that HCID designation changes nothing regarding Covid-19.
Unfortunately that reporter joins KS in going way off the deep end, ranting about the end of money and the establishment of World Communism. He comes across like a calm version of Alex Jones, the same delusions with a British accent but without the table pounding, crying, and screaming.
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I think what concerns me the most is the spread of the virus from surface contamination.

Health Feedback is also a good site to check frequently:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ ... s-unknown/
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ant wrote:I think what concerns me the most is the spread of the virus from surface contamination.

Health Feedback is also a good site to check frequently:
This makes the math even more amazing.

Symptoms might not appear for up to 14 days. After symptoms appear, people may not acknowledge it or contact the hospital for up to a week. And because 81% of cases are mild, some might not consider themselves hosts at all. This is purely speculative, and you can ignore me, but it seems like in some communities, the virus has existed for at least a few weeks in mild cases before there is one severe enough to warrant attention/testing. Not all, of course, but some. And perhaps not now, after everyone is hyper-sensitive to it. But a week ago? Two weeks ago? I'm more confident in this claim - it has been circulating in some communities for weeks before someone gets moderately sick. Then once sick, the tests take up to a week to get results.

Although some tests show the virus staying on surfaces for 100 hours, contagious quantities are about 3 days in some cases. Plastic keypad buttons on credit card machines at the gas station, for example.

It makes sense that it's been spreading in communities for a month(and possibly more) before the first case pops up on the statistics charts. Which means, it's been spreading that entire time unnoticed. I said "some" communities. Not the majority I hope.

The hidden number we don't have is how many are truly infected. I think it's a staggering amount. With so many infected yet unconfirmed, the actual mortality rate isn't as high as we think. But hospitals will be overwhelmed because of how contagious it is, and how long it goes unrecognized.
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