CDC has a simple weekly graph of actual versus expected deaths for the US - at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm

The graph is titled Weekly number of deaths (from all causes). It shows that the actual death rate spiked to a top estimate of 22,500 above the expected rate in early April, and has since settled to about 7,000 extra deaths per week. Here is the data.

The CDC data show that between 155,000 and 193,500 Americans would not have died so far this year if there had been no pandemic and the same death patterns as in recent years had occurred.

KindaSkolarly wrote:The guy in the video says that 6% does not mean 6%. Orwell's science in 1984 taught the same thing.

Well I watched the video too, and all I can say in response is that this "Orwell" comment shows that KindaSkolarly is a total moron.

The video simply explains that the 6% is the number of death certificates that only list COVID 19. That does not at all suggest COVID was not the main cause for other deaths. Obviously, except to morons, the virus kills people by giving them pneumonia and heart failure etc. When doctors put these conditions on the death certificate as well as COVID, as per normal medical practice, this generally reflects the fact that the virus caused these conditions. But all these certificates are not part of the famous 6%.

The 6% listed as only COVID does not mean that only 6% of deaths were caused by COVID. This is very simply and clearly explained in the video, in terms a child could understand. Wilful failure to understand this simple arithmetic is itself Orwellian.

For a moron like KS to misuse Orwell in this way is the height of ironic stupidity. Orwell said the totalitarian state insists that you believe things contrary to all evidence and logic, such as that 2+2=5. That is totally the opposite from this doctor explaining that death certificates listing only COVID are way fewer than total US deaths caused by the pandemic, which is now pushing 200,000 as explained in the CDC data linked in my previous comment above.

KS, you're not going to be permitted to continue posting on BookTalk.org much longer if you don't make a significant change to how you interact with people on the forums. I've warned you in a private message and you completely ignored me. So this is your public notice that your campaign of misinformation and willful ignorance is bad for BookTalk.org and society in general.

Interbane wrote:The headline is misleading. It's not that the tests are negative, but that they are so sensitive that they pick up on miniscule amounts of the virus. Basically, many people testing positive have the virus, but it's a negligible amount.

Its significance is that if most positives are actually of no consequence because the amount is so negligible, draconian social measures might be doing more harm than the disease itself.

Most people dismissive of this are in some way living a more privileged life than people that have lost jobs and their businesses because of draconian lockdown measures.

But carry on, Mr. Empathizer

But isn't it true, or at least wise to assume, that these healthy infected can pass on disease to others who may get sick?

DWill wrote:But isn't it true, or at least wise to assume, that these healthy infected can pass on disease to others who may get sick?

One of the reasons why we are all wearing masks, DWill.

From what I have personally seen, people in LA have been very good about wearing masks.

But the goal posts have been moved several times in CA since the beginning. There is no denying that.
And this pandemic has been politicized , like everything else at some point.
It will be a talking point for the people that are holding Biden's strings.
You know, Trump is responsible for all the deaths, this all could have been avoided, etc etc.

Here in Bahrain masks are also mandatory.

On the Navy base I see a lot of mothers grocery shopping with their children (toddlers); of which are not required to wear a mask for some reason or another.

While Mom is looking at the produce, I pull down my mask and cough in the kids face and move along.

#doingmypart #spreadvirusandawareness

That was funny!

True?

Death rates in countries that rely on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for the treatment of COVID-19 appear to be dramatically lower than death rates in countries that discourage the use of the drug.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/hydroxych ... ssion=true

Let's wait to hear what our resident covid19 expert and his 50 studies has to say.
Interbane?

ant wrote:

DWill wrote:But isn't it true, or at least wise to assume, that these healthy infected can pass on disease to others who may get sick?

One of the reasons why we are all wearing masks, DWill.

From what I have personally seen, people in LA have been very good about wearing masks.

But the goal posts have been moved several times in CA since the beginning. There is no denying that.
And this pandemic has been politicized , like everything else at some point.
It will be a talking point for the people that are holding Biden's strings.
You know, Trump is responsible for all the deaths, this all could have been avoided, etc etc.

Yet, every single written statement I've seen criticizing Trump's performance does not say Trump is responsible for all the deaths. Claiming that such a global judgment exists seems itself politicized. The man got himself into governance. That means that when he asks for his contract to be renewed, he must be evaluated on his success in dealing with the country's problems. Failing on covid-19 doesn't mean he bears sole responsibility for the U.S. doing much worse than would have been expected of us, but fail he did. Every president has failures they need to be accountable to voters for.