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I don't know. I can't defend hiding information like they did, but it doesn't come across as too much of a crime. I mean, what would 6 days have done when Trump ignored the threat for over a month?

Six days isn't a gross delay compared to what we've experienced here. I don't think we should vilify for the sake of vilification. Hate communism, sure. But hate with reason.


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You're an apologist for what the ChiComs did. They could have, SHOULD have closed their country and taken the economic hit, but Xi decided not to do that. Instead, he made sure the disease affected the whole world. And you're glad he did because it gives you a chance to piss and moan about Donald Trump. You're GLAD people died.

Horowitz: Dr. Birx admits to over counting COVID-19 deaths, as heart attacks mysteriously plummet
“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely, it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed’,” the CDC advises in its April guidance for recording COVID-19 deaths.
i-uv.com/horowitz-dr-birx-admits-to-ove ... y-plummet/

Part of the PLANdemic was to overcount Wuhan cases, to make it seem like more people were dying from the virus than actually were.

Top Prof’s Data Analysis Of COVID-19 Outbreak Timeline Shows No Difference In Spread With Lockdowns In Place
...This professor says that mathematical models show that the outbreak peaks at 40 days and peters out by 70 days, and it doesn’t seem to matter if lockdown orders are in place or not....
clashdaily.com/2020/04/top-profs-data-a ... -in-place/

Lockdown / no lockdown, the same. So get rid of them along with the newly acquired fascist social control rules.

Newly discovered coronavirus mutation could threaten vaccine race, study says
Scientists say they have discovered the first evidence of a “significant” mutation of the coronavirus — raising concerns that strides made toward a vaccine so far could become “futile,” according to a new study.
nypost.com/2020/04/14/newly-found-coron ... tudy-says/

So that means that, even though no vaccine is possible for a corona (common cold) virus, we'll be told that the Wuhan strain mutates from year to year and we'll need to get the yearly update from good ol' Billy Gates. Such bullshit.

Residents Gridlock Michigan Streets in Protest of Governor Whitmer's Coronavirus Lockdown Measures
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A bunch of leftist "health" organizations and state governors managed to scare people into their homes for a while, but it's over. The Bill Gates Coup will be dutifully recorded and we'll move on. The future looks pretty bleak, but who knows?

Zombie-nomics: Are you ready for the Universal Basic COLLAPSE?
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China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
1/24/2020

One of many times Trump has praised China for Covid-19 efforts.



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They could have, SHOULD have closed their country and taken the economic hit, but Xi decided not to do that.


Right, coming from a source that thinks tonic water is a cure.

Meanwhile, Trump could have, SHOULD have immediately taken action to ramp up production of test kits. Instead of claiming this would all go away like a miracle.

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You're an apologist for what the ChiComs did.


You're an apologist for what Trump didn't do even when he had all the information to act. Regarding China, I agree that they should have shut down their borders. I'm not apologizing for that. Hindsight is 20/20, and we both see the same thing clearly.

The problem here is your hatred and vitriol is based on fake news. In one moment, Bill Gates caused this whole thing. In another moment, it's the opening salvo from China for WW3. Makes me wonder how fast your head is spinning trying to tie all this nonsense together.

You just can't accept that sometimes, shit happens. We've known a pandemic was inevitable. And now that we're in the middle of one, the fake news circles are blaming Bill Gates? Obviously a large chunk of humanity isn't capable of policing their own beliefs.

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Lockdown / no lockdown, the same. So get rid of them along with the newly acquired fascist social control rules.


Keep it down in the peanut gallery.


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For those of us who don't get our news from far-right conspiracy web sites, it's a bit perplexing. Just how and when did Bill Gates become the new Boogie Monster (or George Soros if you'd rather)? This NYTimes article refers to a speech Gates made a few years ago, when he said that the biggest threat to humanity is not a nuclear weapon but an infectious disease. And thus conspiracy wheels began to spin . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/tech ... Position=1

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You're an apologist for what the ChiComs did. They could have, SHOULD have closed their country and taken the economic hit, but Xi decided not to do that. Instead, he made sure the disease affected the whole world. And you're glad he did because it gives you a chance to piss and moan about Donald Trump. You're GLAD people died.

Well, China bungled the SARS epidemic too. Why assign nefarious, malevolent motives when simple incompetence is far more likely? This is a question you apparently never ask yourself?

This article is from 2004 . . .

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While clearly a test for the public health infrastructure of China, the course of the (SARS) epidemic also raised crucial questions about the capacity and dynamics of the Chinese political structure and its ability to address future outbreaks. . . .


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92479/

And also, the fact that virologists were studying bats in Wuha caves is no mystery either, considering that Chinese horseshoe bats are believed to be natural reservoirs for (SARS-CoV) which caused the SARS outbreak in 2003.


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Every event has an infinite number of causes, so why pick one over another?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oSJdSL8YOE


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Just how and when did Bill Gates become the new Boogie Monster (or George Soros if you'd rather)?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/tech ... Position=1



I was going to put up the same article as a link. Here are some bits I found interesting.
NY Times wrote:
Bill Gates, at Odds With Trump on Virus, Becomes a Right-Wing Target

Anti-vaccinators, members of the conspiracy group QAnon and right-wing pundits have instead seized on the video as evidence that one of the world’s richest men planned to use a pandemic to wrest control of the global health system.

In posts on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, he is being falsely portrayed as the creator of Covid-19, as a profiteer from a virus vaccine, and as part of a dastardly plot to use the illness to cull or surveil the global population.

The wild claims have gained traction with conservative pundits like Laura Ingraham and anti-vaccinators such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Mr. Gates has emerged as a vocal counterweight to President Trump on the coronavirus. For weeks, Mr. Gates has appeared on TV, on op-ed pages and in Reddit forums calling for stay-at-home policies, expanded testing and vaccine development. And without naming Mr. Trump, he has criticized the president’s policies, including this week’s move to cut funding to the World Health Organization.

Misinformation about Mr. Gates is now the most widespread of all coronavirus falsehoods tracked by Zignal Labs, a media analysis company.

That makes Mr. Gates the latest individual — along with Dr. Anthony Fauci, the leading U.S. infectious disease expert — to be ensnared in the flow of right-wing punditry that has denigrated those who appear at odds with Mr. Trump on the virus.

“Bill Gates is easily transformed into a health-related meme and figure because he’s so well known,” said Whitney Phillips, an assistant professor at Syracuse University who teaches digital ethics.


The paranoid mind overlaps heavily with the narcissistic mind. The narcissist, who reacts to everything in terms of whether it threatens them, naturally enlists paranoia to sniff out any hint of enemies, plots, secret cabals, controlling elites, etc. They can't help alienating ordinary people (though there are people who are attracted to that sort of thing). The electoral question is how many people will be activated by the wonderful prospect of finally having a Dear Leader who endorses such crazy fantasies versus how many people have had more than enough of it.



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President Trump wrote:
China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
1/24/2020

One of many times Trump has praised China for Covid-19 efforts.

It's that kind of feckless act that makes it almost impossible for Trump to show his ballyhooed toughness toward China for its terrible handling of the outbreak. There probably is cause for demands for China to offer compensation, especially to Africa, which will fall further behind in its efforts to reduce poverty. Instead of confronting China, Trump picks on the WHO. Granted the WHO may have problems with kowtowing to dictators like Xi and Al Asad, but saying that only reminds us of Trump's own deference toward strongmen.



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The paranoid mind overlaps heavily with the narcissistic mind. The narcissist, who reacts to everything in terms of whether it threatens them, naturally enlists paranoia to sniff out any hint of enemies, plots, secret cabals, controlling elites, etc..

I hate to be the kind of person who is constantly shocked and dismayed by our president's behaviour. But today, Trump is tweeting LIBERATE (all caps) in states where people are protesting virus restrictions. So the enemy now is now . . . um . . . us. Need to have someone to blame for this shitstorm.


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Many if not all of you are busy playing the political finger pointing game and politicizing a pandemic of which both its origin and time stamp continues to remain nebulous at best. No doubt there is enough blame to make it around the table but it simply cannot fall on one single person's plate.
Stop being shallow and cheap with this GLOBAL EVENT. Stop being cheap opportunists just to shine your liberal colors. It's getting old.

The situation continues to remain very fluid with new data becoming available every day.

This new finding is very interesting and needs to be investigated deeply:

146 POSITIVE CASES
100 % ZERO SYMPTOMS

What the actual F***?!

https://www.boston25news.com/news/cdc-r ... RBO4YWO64/



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I understand some of what you're saying, ant. I complained that PBS reporters seemed to be trying to get governors to amplify disagreements they had with Trump. There seemed little constructive point to this. At the same time, it's important to try to determine how government agencies, including each branch of the federal govt., responded to the crisis. Although a commission comprising nonpartisan experts is something we should have after the crisis has passed, we also need to have the contemporaneous reporting, even if it bruises political egos. A lot of information would be lost if the media stood down for the sake of not making waves.



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I understand some of what you're saying, ant.


That makes you officially the only one.



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Many if not all of you are busy playing the political finger pointing game and politicizing a pandemic of which both its origin and time stamp continues to remain nebulous at best. No doubt there is enough blame to make it around the table but it simply cannot fall on one single person's plate.
Stop being shallow and cheap with this GLOBAL EVENT.


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China's six days of failure to warn the world of a likely pandemic


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I'm guessing there are some people who think it's not likely COVID 19 actually started spreading much earlier than what China (and the WHO) claim, mostly because communist controlled countries are honest and transparent compared to countries with men in charge like Trump.


Umm, what's wrong with this picture?

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Stop being cheap opportunists just to shine your liberal colors. It's getting old.

Because we don't like fingerpointing, we will accuse people of virtue signaling, rather than being honestly perturbed by the bozo doll in Chief?

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This new finding is very interesting and needs to be investigated deeply:


I agree this is disturbing, though I have heard other reports with similar indications. This virus is seriously elusive, clearly spreading without symptoms and before symptoms, and clearly being a challenge to test for. It doesn't make a person optimistic for what happens if we open up to public contact again. I would like the press to report on how much opening there has actually been in Korea, Taiwan and for that matter Italy, Spain and other "past the peak" places. Are they able to test effectively and quarantine any outbreaks? I really want to know. If I wait on word from the expertly advised organizations who determine my worklife fate, I may make all the wrong plans before the announcements come out.



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You tell me Harry while I try to figure out what you're saying by dragging some of my words out of context



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You tell me Harry

I generally think it is humorous when people complain about other people complaining. Probably just a personal quirk.

And finger-pointing doesn't stop being finger-pointing when it is in context.



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