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Christ in Egypt: The Virgin Isis-Mery

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Re: Christ in Egypt: The Virgin Isis-Mery

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For what it's worth, here's an article by Acharya S debunking Z. Sitchin.

Who are the Anunnaki?

From Acharya's FAQ's: Does Acharya subscribe to the ancient astronaut theory?
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Discussion on planets as gods continued at http://www.booktalk.org/post96015.html#p96015
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Nut/Neith/Hathor Comparisons

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor

Hathor had a complex relationship with Ra, in one myth she is his eye and considered his daughter but later, when Ra assumes the role of Horus with respect to Kingship, she is considered Ra's mother. She absorbed this role from another cow goddess 'Mht wrt' ("Great flood") who was the mother of Ra in a creation myth and carried him between her horns. As a mother she gave birth to Ra each morning on the eastern horizon and as wife she conceives through union with him each day.

Hathor, along with the goddess Nut, was associated with the Milky Way during the third millennium B.C. when, during the fall and spring equinoxes, it aligned over and touched the earth where the sun rose and fell. The four legs of the celestial cow represented Nut or Hathor could, in one account, be seen as the pillars on which the sky was supported with the stars on their bellies constituting the Milky Way on which the solar barque of Ra, representing the sun, sailed.

The Milky Way was seen as a waterway in the heavens, sailed upon by both the sun deity and the moon, leading the ancient Egyptians to describe it as The Nile in the Sky.

Another interpretation of the Milky Way was that it was the primal snake, Wadjet, the protector of Egypt who was closely associated with Hathor and other early deities among the various aspects of the great mother goddess, including Mut and Naunet.

AD: Here we have a clear Milky Way connection.


Goddess Nut http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_%28goddess%29

Mostly depicted in human form, Nut was also sometimes depicted in the form of a cow whose great body formed the sky and heavens, a sycamore tree, or as a giant sow, suckling many piglets (representing the stars).

A sacred symbol of Nut was the ladder, used by Osiris to enter her heavenly skies. This ladder-symbol was called “maqet” and was placed in tombs to protect the deceased, and to invoke the aid of the deity of the dead.

Nut is considered an enigma in the world of mythology because she is direct contrast to most other mythologies, which usually evolve into a sky father associated with an earth mother or Mother Nature.

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When looking at the Nut Goddess as a primordial (virgin) goddess, the enigma disappear when rightfully connecting her to the Milky Way Mytology and to the Story of Creation.

Otherwise it seem to me that comparisons between Neith and Nut - and between many other primeordial goddesses - easily can be made finding great similarities. Because they belong to the very same celestial object of the Milky Way which is closely connected to the Stories of Creation.

- It also seem to me that we have to take the astrotheological/mytological understanding a further step up to the Milky Way Sphere in order to grasp the mythological meaning of "virgin creator goddesses" in general.

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http://native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm
native-science.net/Mythology.Light_Whit ... _Right.htm
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Native, your post is essentially a copy/paste from here, which has already been addressed.

You already have a thread here: Milky Way Myths

So, please don't try to hi-jack the threads here attempting to turn them into another of your milky way threads, as this forum is about the books. That's why this forum is called "BookTalk." It is a forum that has discussions specifically about books. Have you read Christ in Egypt?

Write a book about milky way myths and then maybe you can have your own book discussion here.
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I am not "trying to hijacking this tread".

I´m just trying to give an overall perspective that maybe can clarify the mythological contexts and its cosmological implications and connections. And my latest post was a reply to a question if the goddess of Neith could be compared to Nut and other Milky Way goddesses.

- Of course one posts the most essential arguments several times - just like authors usually do all over in their books.

What is wrong with doing that in this tread? Is it just that I have alternative views and should be kept away because it is disturbing for the consensus thinking?

What is the very point of a “BookTalk” if not to discuss the contents of a book? Discuss the outlay and format?
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Native, have you read 'Christ in Egypt' or not?

What you are bring up here assuming we don't know anything about is old news to Acharya. She discusses the Hathor connection to the milky way in her first book, Christ Conspiracy, page 97 from 1999. Acharya simply doesn't spend any time on milky way myths because I don't think she sees it as relevant to her work. What milky way myths have found their way into Christianity that have been verified & confirmed by reputable scholars?

I think what you're doing on your website is important and I support it but, you've just got to clean it up and make sure the entire website is accurate. I already explained that to you before:
"Native, I like your website but there are far too many blatantly obvious errors that must be changed. Please accept this as constructive criticism not any type of attack. You're simply not making any effort to verify your claims or substantiate them with credible evidence. Those who have experience in this field will see too many errors to be able to take your website seriously. You need to provide primary sources and scholar commentary on them saying that they are what you claim they are. You've got some things right but, there's way too much that is wrong and it ruins the whole website. You need to get rid of everything that's wrong and keep what's right. And where you're unsure you need to say that. You've got it all mixed together and that is unprofessional and unscholarly - linking to Wikipedia as a main source does not help your case..."

- Milky Way Myths


Post your website at this forum and ask for constructive criticism. They will tell you the same thing I did.
http://www.freeratio.org/forumdisplay.p ... 094e3&f=60

It looks like you may have tried to do what I mentioned above at your 'GREAT MOTHER GODDESS' link but, if you're going to use so much from Elaine Pagels you should probably ask her for permission or your website could be penalized and we wouldn't want it taken down due copy-right laws. Your 'LIGHT OR WHITE DEITIES' link still includes major errors trying to connect artifacts to the milky way that are simply false, such as the "Sun Carriage" of Trundholm, Denmark. Try to find a few highly respected and credentialed scholars that agree with you on that and the rest of your claims.
"The Trundholm Sun Chariot is from the Bronze Age. It was found in a bog in 1902 in Denmark. In the danish Bronze Age mythology it was believed that the sun was carried over the sky on a carriage from noon to evening. At night the sun was escorted by a snake to the night ship that transported it until morning. A fish then escorted the sun to the morning ship that transported it until the horse took over again."
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Solvognen
Not a single mention of it having anything to do with any milky way myths here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trundholm_sun_chariot

Again, take all this as constructive criticism. We're on the same side but, you can't keep making connections where none exist or you will ruin your credibility and everyone else's you try to connect with like Acharya S. Don't mix facts and evidence with your own speculation and opinion. Everybody knows that is a big no-no.
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@FTL99,

First: I don´t recall your user profile from any other Forums, but maybe you can be so kind to refresh my memory?

Secondly: Before going into further discussions, how important would you say that the concept of "Virgin Moon Goddesses" is in the assembled works of Acharya?

NB: Answers from anyone else on this Forum are of course also welcome.
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Since you've avoided answering the question a few times now, is it fair to assume that you have not read 'Christ in Egypt'? What books of Acharya's have you actually read?

This thread is about the chapter in 'Christ in Egypt' entitled, "The Virgin Isis-Mery," which makes no mention of the milky way because it's not relevant to what she's doing in that book.

You have a thread at Freethought Nation titled 'Milky Way Myths' linked above and I'm the Admin and a mod there. I'd like to see you succeed and I'm just trying to help you out here but, you would be wise to finally listen to us and our many years of experience. We cannot support your website until you've cleaned it up and removed or at least separated the credible facts and evidence from the speculation and opinion. PLEASE remove what's false or inaccurate. You consistently make giant leaps of faith in your attempt to make connections where none exist. Then, you keep trying to force those issues on us, like your posts above as well as at the Freethought Nation forum, that you still don't realize are wrong. You've got to stop doing that.
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@FTL99,

Regarding my website, we apparently have had this discussion before and my advice to you was briefly: Focus on the main message and discuss this only.
FTL99 wrote:Since you've avoided answering the question a few times now, is it fair to assume that you have not read 'Christ in Egypt'? What books of Acharya's have you actually read?
Native wrote:Secondly: Before going into further discussions, how important would you say that the concept of "Virgin Moon Goddesses" is in the assembled works of Acharya?
AD: Does this sentence suggest that I am avoiding or refusing answering your questions?
This thread is about the chapter in 'Christ in Egypt' entitled, "The Virgin Isis-Mery," which makes no mention of the milky way because it's not relevant to what she's doing in that book.
AD: Non the less, you yourself linked to the "Christ Conspiracy" in order to tell me that the issue of the Milky Way Goddesses (Hathor as Milky Way Goddess/Mother Moon Goddess, later replaced by Isis, in this case) already was/is mentioned in this book.

Regarding the tread topic of "The Virgin Isis-Mery", it was/is very relevant for me to know some answers to how important the concept of "Virgin Moon Goddesses" is, as asked in the quotation above and I´m waiting for answers to this issue.

- I´m asking this question because I don´t understand why the clearly stated Milky Way deity connections doesn´t have a higher priority/firm relevans in the works of Acharya.

The implications of stating superior female (Hathor/Isis/Mary etc. etc. ) deities as Moon-Goddesses instead of Milky Way Goddesses are of course mythological/cosmologically very different.

A mythological Moon Goddess can logically of course NOT give birth to the Sun – or a Son – but a Milky Way Goddess can if you read the Stories of Creation and connect the story to the formation of the Milky Way. This is what I´m trying to state in my posts anywhere in the religious/mythological debates.

- There is a huge scholarly/consensus interpretative confusion between Lunar and Milky Way deities going on, and also between the terms of “light of the Sun” and “light and shape of the Milky Way centre”.

No matter of how many scholars you can quote from a large amount of books, it still will be religious/mythological/cosmological wrong to confuse Milky Way deities for being Lunar deities.

- The main reason for this very common scholarly confusion is that both the Moon and the Milky Way can show celestial crescent images. This is the very key to understand how the biblical/mythological confusion between Lunar and Milky Way deities takes place.

And, since you don´t like any links to “my horrible website”, read this instead:

“The Milky Way Mythology and the Stories of Creation” - http://vixra.org/abs/1109.0065

And an alternative cosmological explanation of creation:

“New Solar and Galaxy Formation Knowledge” - http://vixra.org/abs/1109.0013

- Combine the information from these two articles and see what you get out of them.
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