Online reading group and book discussion forum
  HOME ENTER FORUMS OUR BOOKS LINKS DONATE ADVERTISE CONTACT  
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:54 pm





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average. 
Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars 
Author Message
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

BookTalk.org Owner
Diamond Contributor 3

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 16196
Location: Florida
Thanks: 3498
Thanked: 1327 times in 1046 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

 Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars

Please talk about Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars here in this thread.



Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:05 pm
Profile Email WWW
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
One more post ought to do it.

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3257
Location: Cheshire, England
Thanks: 329
Thanked: 675 times in 521 posts
Gender: Female
Country: United Kingdom (uk)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Oh dear, I am rattling on with this book and hope it is OK with everyone. I am only reading a chapter per day, so it isn't so very fast. Anyway, I am enjoying reading and making notes and generally gathering my thoughts together. If you want me to stop hogging the first post in the threads, let me know and I'll stop and wait before dropping in my pearls of wisdom....NOT.

The opening paragraph gave a list of complementary pseudo sciences.....I think he means that for every true science, there is an alternative pseudo science for people who can't be bothered, or have not the facility, to seek evidence. I'm glad he doesn't include my pet subject....being the progression/purpose/existence of the human soul, which I feel is much more important than the existence of alien life forms, in that our perception of our own lives is altered and made more purposeful if we can prove to ourselves that we do not die. So much so, that I try to live as though I am going to exist forever and so try to grow in wisdom as well as knowledge.....which can't be a bad thing, can it?

I was amused at his descriptions of our tendency to subconsciously look for faces........Interbane once warned me that we all look for 'patterns' when in fact....everything is chaos. When we were on holiday with our two grown up sons, in Tuscany....we used to sit out under the stars until well into the night, beers for them, wine for me. I was always the first to go up the steps (on the outside of the medeival farmhouse) to bed. One night I entered our bedroom and under the bed were two glowing eyes glaring at me....I thought some creature had wandered in, it being a very secluded and rural area......I hurried back down the steps to summon my menfolk, all of us being slightly inebriated you realise......Imagine my chagrin when they found the eyes were two luminous day-glo tabs on the back heels of my husbands trainers...which he had left under the bed, neatly side by side.

I was struck also by his paragraphs about people believing what they read in newspapers (and it isn't just the tabloids, the broadsheets are also guilty). Remembering that it is only comparatively recently that ordinary people have been able to read. In not so distant history faith came with the hearing. Apparently, that is why it is called 'a court hearing'.....and why our older establishment churches, like the Roman Catholic and the Anglican church are so theatrical......it was to hold peoples' attention whilst they were taught audibly what they couldn't read for themselves. Unfortunately, whilst we learned to read, many of us didn't learn to apply our critical thinking skills........not like wot I can..... :shock:

In a paragraph on my page 59, which begins: 'Such reports persist......' He says it is because we seek excitement in our humdrum lives......In my case I seek to feel more purposeful......not excitement......I cannot speak for the rest of humanity of course. He says skepticism must be a component of our 'tool kit'. Well, yes.......I am very skeptical of the media and its 'news' reports.....but maybe I should be more skeptical of the evidence of my own eyes and ears......hmmmmm.....well, that goes without saying. Although, if we could know that we are going to go on learning and exploring into infinity and that our time is not limited to this one lifetime.....then maybe we won't be so ready to grasp at delusional straws. I must say that some of the most joyous people I have encountered have been scientists......Feynman especially, but also Einstein seemed a happy soul, Prof. Brian Cox currently, and what about the wonderful Stephen Hawkins.......they don't find reality dull do they?


_________________
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

Rafael Sabatini


The following user would like to thank Penelope for this post:
ant, geo, Robert Tulip, youkrst
Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:24 am
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Just realized BookTalk.org is awesome!

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 794
Location: Florida
Thanks: 317
Thanked: 465 times in 360 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Quote:
Penelope wrote:
Oh dear, I am rattling on with this book and hope it is OK with everyone. I am only reading a chapter per day, so it isn't so very fast. Anyway, I am enjoying reading and making notes and generally gathering my thoughts together. If you want me to stop hogging the first post in the threads, let me know and I'll stop and wait before dropping in my pearls of wisdom....NOT.


Penelope, I for one am very glad to see you on the vanguard of this discussion, I am essentially doing the same as you in so far as I'm reading a little everyday. Yourself and the others who have put in bits help me to look at what I have read a little closer.
Please do not wait for others to jump in, you just keep at it. I have been holding back for the official February start of the discussion to give everyone a chance to gear-up. Also as I'm a bit thick it takes me some time to put coherence in writing.
Just a suggestion, perhaps you could grab hold of the reins of this selection and help guide us through this thing properly.



The following user would like to thank Taylor for this post:
Penelope, youkrst
Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:23 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
One more post ought to do it.

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3257
Location: Cheshire, England
Thanks: 329
Thanked: 675 times in 521 posts
Gender: Female
Country: United Kingdom (uk)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Quote:
Taylor wrote:

Just a suggestion, perhaps you could grab hold of the reins of this selection and help guide us through this thing properly.


Awe, thank you for that compliment. However, I think Chris is the one who appoints the guiders......What are they called? Moderators - and Chris knows that my opinions are not always 'moderate' LOL. Because I am English - I have a distinct leaning to the left - and we call that Socialism here. Socialism is an idealist notion in the UK, but it seems it is a dirty word in the US. Something lost in translation I'm sure.

Anyway, if I keep on plonking my posts on the correct chapter thread, people can either respond or ignore can't they? :wink:


_________________
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

Rafael Sabatini


Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:07 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Just realized BookTalk.org is awesome!

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 794
Location: Florida
Thanks: 317
Thanked: 465 times in 360 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
We're all socialist, its just a matter of "to what degree" Its the system within the system, It starts with Adam Smith and is reflected by John Maynard Keynes.
Its Political/Economic Science, and we're discussing Science.

When I was a very young man, I had a similar incident as your shoe fright, In my case, there was something outside my bedroom window, I was absolutely petrified, I just knew it was something monstrous trying to get at me, I made an older brother go outside in the middle of night in the dead of winter and chase away the boogie man, turns out it was the top of a shrub.



Last edited by Taylor on Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.



The following user would like to thank Taylor for this post:
Penelope
Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:59 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
pets endangered by possible book avalanche

BookTalk.org Moderator
Platinum Contributor

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4400
Location: NC
Thanks: 1869
Thanked: 1938 times in 1451 posts
Gender: Male

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Penelope wrote:
Quote:
. . . I think Chris is the one who appoints the guiders......What are they called? Moderators - and Chris knows that my opinions are not always 'moderate' LOL.

In this case you're being a discussion leader, and a very good one at that! Keep it up!

I'm thinking about joining in, although I haven't had a chance to start (re)reading yet. I'm getting psyched for it, thanks to your posts. Thanks!


_________________
-Geo
Question everything


The following user would like to thank geo for this post:
Penelope
Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:01 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
One more post ought to do it.

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3257
Location: Cheshire, England
Thanks: 329
Thanked: 675 times in 521 posts
Gender: Female
Country: United Kingdom (uk)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Quote:
Taylor wrote:

It starts with Adam Smith and is reflected by John Maynard Keynes.
Its Political/Economic Science, and we're discussing Science.


Well, I've read bits of 'Wealth of Nations' and I know the gist of Keynesian theory. Keynes gave us some wonderful quotable quotes:
but I really don't have any education in economics. I just know about Keynes because he was a member of the Bloomsbury Group - Virginia Woolf and those people in search of Truth and Beauty. Fascinating.


Quote:
Geo wrote:

I'm thinking about joining in, although I haven't had a chance to start (re)reading yet.


Oh do join in. Of course I hadn't realised until Taylor pointed out that the discussion proper doesn't begin till February......I think I'll just carry on making my posts, gung ho, as otherwise I might lose my momentum....LOL


_________________
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

Rafael Sabatini


Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:29 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Agrees that Reading is Fundamental


Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 292
Thanks: 13
Thanked: 105 times in 84 posts
Gender: None specified

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
When I first looked at this book, I had grave doubts about weather or not I wanted to read it. After completing the first 3 chapters, I'm enjoying it.
I have to admit that I'm a skeptic, don't know why or how that happened, since both my grandmother and mother were strong believers of superstitions, ghosts, etc. Even as a youngster, I always questioned their beliefs and statements...perhaps because no ghosts ever appeared to me, and no prayers were answered...LOL!
Perhaps people believe in miracles, magic, fortune tellers, etc., because they themselves can't make their lives better and they need a belief that somebody or something can do it for them, that there is always hope...and hope, psychologically, is a great thing. I love the expression "...where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise..." (Thomas Gray)
I was surprised at some of the hoaxes described here which some of the people in the world believe in. Guess it's fun and for some, pretty profitable.
Well, on to ch. 4, Aliens :). No, I don't believe they are here, either...I will definitely enjoy this chapter, since I'll be looking for arguments which I can present to some of my "believer" friends...



Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:30 am
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
This chapter was nothing but a rehash of stuff I have been familiar with for some time now.

If I may, I recommend "How We Know What isn't So" by Thomas Glovich.
In it, Part One - "Cognitive Determinants of Questionable Beliefs" is superior to this chapter of Sagan's book.



Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:18 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Book Hoarder

BookTalk.org Moderator
Silver Contributor

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2106
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Thanks: 81
Thanked: 788 times in 610 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Quote:
...what seems to be a portrait of the cartoon character Bugs Bunny on the Uranian moon Ariel.
P. 50

Ha! That forced me to go a-Googling, I think this might be it:

Image



Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:58 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Book Hoarder

BookTalk.org Moderator
Silver Contributor

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2106
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Thanks: 81
Thanked: 788 times in 610 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Chapter 3: The man in the moon and the face on Mars
Here's one Carl probably didn't know about, a crater found by the Mars Global Surveyor:

Image



Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:05 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average. 



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:



Site Resources 
HELPFUL INFO:
Forum Rules & Tips
Frequently Asked Questions
BBCode Explained
Author Interview Transcripts
Be a Book Discussion Leader!

IDEAS FOR WHAT TO READ:
Bestsellers
Book Awards
• Book Reviews
• Online Books
• Team Picks
Newspaper Book Sections

WHERE TO BUY BOOKS:
• Great resource pages are coming!

BEHIND THE BOOKS:
• Great resource pages are coming!

PROMOTE YOUR BOOK!
Advertise on BookTalk.org
How To Promote Your Book





BookTalk.org is a thriving book discussion forum, online reading group or book club. We read and talk about both fiction and non-fiction books as a community. Our forums are open to anyone in the world. While discussing books is our passion we also have active forums for talking about poetry, short stories, writing and authors. Our general discussion forum section includes forums for discussing science, religion, philosophy, politics, history, current events, arts, entertainment and more. We hope you join us!


Navigation 
MAIN NAVIGATION

HOMEFORUMSOUR BOOKSAUTHOR INTERVIEWSADVERTISELINKSFAQDONATETERMS OF USEPRIVACY POLICYSITEMAP

OTHER PAGES WORTH EXPLORING
Banned Book ListOnline Reading GroupTop 10 Atheism Books

Copyright © BookTalk.org 2002-2019. All rights reserved.
Display Pagerank