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bob wrote:You look to see no proof and that is exactly what you will get - no proof!
i'm not looking to see no proof bob!

i'm saying your "proof" isn't proof

faith
belief that is not based on proof:
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion:
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
proof
noun
noun: proof; plural noun: proofs

1.
evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.
"you will be asked to give proof of your hypothesis"
bob you wrote a book called

Come on MAN, Speak English to ME about GOD

so in english these words have meanings. :)
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what about Hell bob?

do you have proof for Hell?
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The earth is round and the water cycle of the world. How about the inner core has as much water as the ocean? The bible says that is how the flood took place. and tons more proof.
For all the ancients knew, the oceans went all the way down. There is NOTHING remarkable here. Not only well within the ability of men to know, but expected of them.

Bob, you're abusing the word proof. Why do you ignore me when I tell you this? Aren't you capable of learning new information?

Scientific proof
It is often said that proof is for alcohol and mathematics, as these are really the only areas where proof has any real meaning. "Proof" is something that the opponents of science are always clamouring for, yet is not actually something that science suggests it will give - specifically in the common sense definition of "proof" that suggests that a claim has been proven 100%.
Surprisingly to some, science does not deal in proof, in spite of the word being associated with science a whole lot more than perhaps it should be. Scientists will throw around phrases like "we've just proved our theory" when they should know better, but this can be excusable human nature. With some theories its very difficult not to think of them as proven (Newton's laws of motion, for instance, which always have and always will describe the behavior of objects within the limits of those theories.) Science as a method, however, deals not in proof but in evidence, and perhaps disproof when the evidence contradicts a hypothesis.

For example, finding a fingerprint at the scene of a crime may be construed by most people as "proof" that the owner of the fingerprint was, at some stage, at that location. Science would say that the fingerprint is "evidence" that somehow a means of leaving that fingerprint was at that location. More evidence can be collected that shows a person was there at the right time, or perhaps some evidence is shown that they weren't there. It is up to someone working in the world of science to put together a hypothesis which is consistent with this evidence when taken together. A scientist hasn't strictly proved anything by putting together this hypothesis, but they have constructed a realistic scenario based on overwhelming evidence.
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Interbane wrote: Bob, you're abusing the word proof. Why do you ignore me when I tell you this? Aren't you capable of learning new information?
Sadly, I think the answer to that question is "no".
youkrst wrote:what about Hell bob?

do you have proof for Hell?
Fortunately, I think the answer to that question is "no".
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Proof of hell and God are in the book. Ok, Guys I guess I am done for now. best wishes.
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The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
Luke 16: 19 - 24
There's one version of hell from the bible. However I'm guessing brother bob will inform us that hell is not hot.
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Yes, because Bob knows.
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My favorite hell story involves some missionaries that went into the Alaskan wilderness to preach to the natives. They came across a little Inuit village and preached to the chieftain and his men through a translator. The chieftain asked the missionaries to describe the hell they kept referring to so the missionaries explained that it was a place of fire, brimstone, great heat, where everything was hot to the touch. The chief and his men conversed over this for a while and then turned to the missionaries with a joyful expression and asked, "How do we get there?" Not sure if it's really true but I like it all the same.
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back when i was an apologist, many moons ago, i used to say Spong is Wrong! (and like a good apologist i had no evidence whatsoever)

now it is with great pleasure i can eat my own words and say...

Spong is right ! :-D
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