Your last statement "for me to be literally minded is death to the better comprehension."

Is that a literal interpretation?

If you are looking fro some figurative truth - you are barking up the wrong tree.

I think you are looking to do what most men want. Tell me something I can agree with.

Isaiah 58:16 "Your ways are not my ways" saith the Lord.

Almost all the ways that man thinks opposes the ways of God. You need to figure out what you want - truth or pandering of your thinking ways.

I am not doing this for an exercise of futility. Most of your comments just want to oppose what is said. I said that you can have opposing ideas, but hold it until the end. Of course your ideas don't agree with what I state. If you did that you would not be seeking answers.

They are not my concepts, they are Gods.

finally, you said it is a book that anyone can read and get its message. You got NOTHING as to the message of the book. Your statement is totally false.

Often to save a person, they must find that they are lost. You don't feel you are lost. Best Wishes!

You need to figure out what you want - truth or pandering of your thinking ways.

theres that mirror again.

They are not my concepts, they are Gods.

or are they your concepts about what you perceive as God's concepts?

You don't feel you are lost. Best Wishes!

and to you bob

" They are not my concepts, they are Gods."

Why when someone declares God concepts, do people want to declare they are rather those persons concepts.

I understand that many people are wrong and makes us men skeptics.

However, when the concepts are in line with the BOOK than you should accept them as truth.

When someone teaches geometry and the concepts taught match up, you do not claim they are the concepts of the professor. He is just passing on the concepts for others to also accept and appreciate.

When someone teaches geometry and the concepts taught match up, you do not claim they are the concepts of the professor. He is just passing on the concepts for others to also accept and appreciate.

yes but all teachers of geometry agree that "a squared plus b squared equals c squared"

and indeed i can easily verify that for myself should i be curious.

compare that to this statement

bob wrote:So man was basically left helpless, hopeless and without any means of restoration.

but i know many people who are not helpless or hopeless and yet they do not even believe in ANY God, let alone the exact one you are trying to present.

Youkrst "but i know many people who are not helpless or hopeless and yet they do not even believe in ANY God, let alone the exact one you are trying to present."

Perception is one thing, reality is another. In the eyes of God ALL mankind is hopeless, helpless and cannot merit salvation from peril on his own.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death (eternal separation from God), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ His Son."

You are exactly right that there are many varying statements about God and the Bible. It is very clear on how to acquire salvation, but mankind in time always sways to sin and pollutes its church dogma to be more liberal in its actions. Shoot SOME Methodist and Episcopals are now supporting abortion, where scripture clearly is for LIFE (Jeremiah 1:5).

Mankind has nothing to offer God to make recompense for their sins.

Perception is one thing, reality is another.

indeed bob, are you sure your perception hasn't drifted just a tad too far from reality.

how would you be able to tell if it had?

In the eyes of God ALL mankind is hopeless, helpless and cannot merit salvation from peril on his own.

then God needs his eyesight checked

Man that is destined to an eternal prison with no sleep, no familiarities here on earth, and likely solitary confinement, where there is a gloomy smoky atmosphere. This is some of the worst fears that man has. To be in such a place and knowing that they kneeled at His feet because of the overwhelming awe of his wonderful aura, and passing up on having an eternal relationship with Him - man will REGRET (one of man's deepest emotions) his destiny and helping promote the demise of his friends, family and loved ones. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

cheer up bob, it might never happen

in fact it almost certainly wont.... but if it does....

and likely solitary confinement, where there is a gloomy smoky atmosphere.

doesn't sound that bad, a bit like a club i used to work.

This is some of the worst fears that man has.

yes imagine being a little kid and someone lays a big rave about hell on you, that'd get your fears going.. if you were trusting enough to believe them.

good work, scaring the kids into submission since anyone can remember.

honestly bob this fear of hell shit is so tired...

any God pathetic enough to send anyone to hell for an eternity when they didn't even live 100 years is not worth my time.

the fact that this crap still gets trotted out by anyone is an embarrassment to us all.

Man that is destined to an eternal prison with no sleep

oh, i'm already there

Not even close! Sorry for your suffering.