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I would stop at a red light because of the law. There are laws afterall in laissez-faire capitalism. Drugs will be legalized, but if you violate rights when high, it will have legal consequences. If there is a stop sign on a road, or stop light and you blow through it, there will be legal consequences for doing so, as those signs and lights are in place, for a reason. You have to obey them by law, just like we do now.

Have you read Atlas Shrugged, btw?


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I would stop at a red light because of the law. There are laws afterall in laissez-faire capitalism. Drugs will be legalized, but if you violate rights when high, it will have legal consequences. If there is a stop sign on a road, or stop light and you blow through it, there will be legal consequences for doing so, as those signs and lights are in place, for a reason. You have to obey them by law, just like we do now.

Have you read Atlas Shrugged, btw?

I feel you might be saying that the traffic laws are there because they make things safer for each individual, so that the concept of the greater good is only an illusion. But I don't see any difference, really, between passing laws because they benefit individuals and their exercise of freedom, and passing them because you think all that adds up to the greater good. It's a philosophy applied from a level remote from individuals that we call government. It's inevitable that such individualism would end up being indistinguishable from greater good. Rand wasn't against government. She must therefore have had some notion of society. If she didn't, that seems to leave a large hole in her philosophy.



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But I don't see any difference, really, between passing laws because they benefit individuals and their exercise of freedom, and passing them because you think all that adds up to the greater good.


Laws in laissez-faire capitalism(LFC) are passed in regards to recognizing, upholding, and protecting indivdual rights, period. Has nothing to do with "greater good" whatever that means, "common good" whatever that means.

"The moral justification of capitalism does not lie in the altruist claim that it represents the best way to achieve ‘the common good.’ It is true that capitalism does—if that catch-phrase has any meaning—but this is merely a secondary consequence. The moral justification of capitalism lies in the fact that it is the only system consonant with man’s rational nature, that it protects man’s survival qua man, and that its ruling principle is: justice.” — AYN RAND

Her writing "The Nature of Government":
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer? ... government

Her speaking about Objective Law:
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer? ... reg_ar_law

Objective Law:
http://principlesofafreesociety.com/objective-laws/


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I would stop at a red light because of the law. There are laws afterall in laissez-faire capitalism. Drugs will be legalized, but if you violate rights when high, it will have legal consequences. If there is a stop sign on a road, or stop light and you blow through it, there will be legal consequences for doing so, as those signs and lights are in place, for a reason. You have to obey them by law, just like we do now.

Have you read Atlas Shrugged, btw?


"Those signs and lights are in place for a reason". Yes. And the reason is? Society, through its government, has regulated a field of human endevor in a way that is hoped will be best for the vast majority, even if it doesn't work for some individuals at some times. This is quite different from assuming that there is some invisible law out there, some cosmic principle, that will make things right if individual players all negociate their own best deal, as they see it. In this case we would have drivers making deals with traffic cops, or shouting out and gestering at intersections and other critical points, given your "LFC" system.

If you can accept the need for regulation and control in a straightfoward example, it's only a small leap to slightly more abstract concepts. We have more freedom today because of, for example, the banking regulation that became more commonplace after the New Deal. There was a separation of commericial and deposit banks, and deposit insurance for the small depositer. These actually give everyone more latitude- bankers don't need to worry so much about runs on their bank (common up to then), and individuals were more apt to let their money stay in the system, where it could be put to work in the economy (rather than sitting in a sock in drawer, again common up to then). However, these types of rules tend to work only with an impartial oversight. One particular player is not likely to offer concessions if the others in the field do not, as it would place them at a disadvantage. There is of course the irony (one well documented in introductory economics texts) that once all are made to conform, all are better off, but without oversight, it's not likely to happen.

For those that haven't read the texts, no problem, your "producers", those generaters of wealth and employment, have provided a real life textbook lesson in what happens when oversight is removed, and the business community is left to its own devices. It was called the Great Recession of '08, or sometimes also called the financial meltdown.


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Roads are privitized in LFC. Being private property, any stops sign, traffic lights, speed limits, on them, will be enforced much like they are now, by laws, as long as rights arent being violated by them.

Again, I ask you, have you read Atlas Shrugged?


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