Here is an outline of intellectual disciplines duly recognized by academicians
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline ... isciplines
Mythology is something entirely different. It, like religious cultural studies, requires expertise in historical research and proficiency in the understanding and interpretation of multiple ancient languages. Appropriate PHd signifies expertise. A Bachelor's Degree or Masters falls short.
Astrotheology is a fad, unrecognized in credentialed academic forums. It attracts a very very particular /specific following of people, those that are pronoucedly biased against religion, most notably, Christianity.
It is a forum made up largely of skilled literature majors and writers that are not formally intellectually equiped to speak on historical matters they have never examined at university, or have had rresearch formally scrutinized and published by credentialed experts
Behind most every promoter of Astrotheology is a Myther filled with a degree of antipathy towards religion.
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
i wonder if Thomas Jefferson was a promoter of astrotheologyant wrote:Behind most every promoter of Astrotheology is a Myther filled with a degree of antipathy towards religion.
he certainly was a myther filled to a degree with antipathy towards religion
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
TJ was "licensed in law" and perhaps had some form of university credential signifying a liberal arts education:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
You are more than welcomed to affirm your dedication to an obscure and aberrant fad like astrotheology.
But please do not prop up historical figures as sponsors of it.
It's wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
You are more than welcomed to affirm your dedication to an obscure and aberrant fad like astrotheology.
But please do not prop up historical figures as sponsors of it.
It's wrong.
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
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that immediately brought to mind Thomas Jefferson who was a Myther filled with a degree of antipathy towards religion.ant wrote:a Myther filled with a degree of antipathy towards religion.
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
but anyway ant
i would really like to read some material by writers you consider to have...
"expertise in historical research and proficiency in the understanding and interpretation of multiple ancient languages. Appropriate PHd signifies expertise."
i read many writers but i think i need to read people you consider qualified so that when i try to put a point across i can do so quoting writers you consider qualified.
i mean perhaps i have been mislead by biased unqualified writers with an axe to grind.
i have nothing to lose but my ignorance and would appreciate it if you could mention a couple of writers you consider acceptable and qualified to be considered by you to have the expertise required.
i want to read writers you consider to have..."Appropriate PHd"
i would really like to read some material by writers you consider to have...
"expertise in historical research and proficiency in the understanding and interpretation of multiple ancient languages. Appropriate PHd signifies expertise."
i read many writers but i think i need to read people you consider qualified so that when i try to put a point across i can do so quoting writers you consider qualified.
i mean perhaps i have been mislead by biased unqualified writers with an axe to grind.
i have nothing to lose but my ignorance and would appreciate it if you could mention a couple of writers you consider acceptable and qualified to be considered by you to have the expertise required.
i want to read writers you consider to have..."Appropriate PHd"
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
perhaps J.P Holding is disqualified and that's gotta be a good thing.
Flann
stop linking to JP as ant has a point here
Flann
stop linking to JP as ant has a point here
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
ant, how about Robert Price
would he meet your criteria?
septuagint ok?
no hang on you said
history and languages, damn it's tough work finding these guys.
just give me your top two and i'll get reading
would he meet your criteria?
his greek is good but no hebrew so should we only accept his work in NT?Born Robert McNair Price
July 7, 1954 (age 61)
Jackson, Mississippi, U.S.[1]
Residence North Carolina
Education BA, MTS (1978)
PhD in Systematic Theology (1981)
PhD in New Testament (1993)[1]
septuagint ok?
no hang on you said
history and languages, damn it's tough work finding these guys.
just give me your top two and i'll get reading
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
I know J.P. annoys you guys. He's funny though and makes some good points. It's just a non runner as far as I can see among accredited historians and scholars in the relevant fields.youkrst wrote:perhaps J.P Holding is disqualified and that's gotta be a good thing.
Flann
stop linking to JP as ant has a point here
You have Carrier with some sort of history degree and Price and Pagels. Price thinks Paul didn't exist and Pagels thinks he did but he's proto-gnostic according to her.
Neither views are considered to be correct by most accredited scholars. Price's view on this is pretty extreme. The gnostic elite initiates hypothesis becomes unfalsifiable because the texts are screaming against myth and gnostic ideas but you can just say that's for the "ignorant masses."
There is a lot of conspiracy theory in it. Whenever Tacitus or Josephus reference Jesus or John the baptist the mythicists have to cry interpolation. But even though scholars accept one altering in Josephus they don't think it's all interpolation and there are other passages not disputed like the reference to James the brother of Jesus.
These historians are not all Christians either.
Just about any N.T. passages that contradict the theory are called interpolations or when Paul talks of James the brother of the Lord,a really absurd and untenable interpretation is given to get around it.
Never mind the plain statements of Paul. The polar opposite supposed hidden meaning being the true intent just won't wash.
Is Peter a sign of the zodiac or a real person? What sign?
Serious scholars have no time for all this special pleading which is basically a device to get rid of contrary facts in the literature.
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Re: Astrotheology is NOT an academic discipline
can you give any examples of these "most accredited scholars"?Flann wrote:Neither views are considered to be correct by most accredited scholars.
yes son of god born of a virgin, i see what you meanFlann wrote:the texts are screaming against myth and gnostic ideas
screaming against myth
i mean how dumb is Thomas Jefferson, but as ant points out, no PHd in history or language so no surprise there.
yes it has 911 written all over it.There is a lot of conspiracy theory in it.
i can see you've really looked deeply into this and are no doubt right.scholars accept one altering in Josephus they don't think it's all interpolation and there are other passages not disputed like the reference to James the brother of Jesus.
wow! what percentage would you put on that Flann?These historians are not all Christians either.
i seeJust about any N.T. passages that contradict the theory are called interpolations or when Paul talks of James the brother of the Lord,a really absurd and untenable interpretation is given to get around it.
oh what a brilliant point.Is Peter a sign of the zodiac or a real person? What sign?
i should get saved again so i can have such Spirit Filled wisdom.
yes wont all the naysayers feel silly one daySerious scholars have no time for all this special pleading which is basically a device to get rid of contrary facts in the literature.
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yes, so true, but as ant points outI know J.P. annoys you guys. He's funny though and makes some good points.
he cannot be accepted as he lacks the requisite PHds