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A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15 
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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
"hodor" said Hodor. Five books!?, that's why I'm into it, I have to know what means, something special I bet.



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You lost me. :huh?:



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
Please forgive my weak attempt at humor. I'm going to attempt a link to a site that is huge in the world of Ice and Fire
Westeros.org I don't if I have created the link or not, but its an interesting site for fans of the series.
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You lost me. :huh?:

I don't if I set the quote up correctly either, I'll find out when I submit.
Anyway I was taking from that site a form that had people listing their favorite lines from the series.



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
It seems After what four years I figured out how to do somethings, :clap2: :bananadance: :coco: :calmdown:
This could be good it may be bad, but I'll tell this, for me it is growth :bow: to my self.
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What was the question? "hodor said Hodor " is just a favorite line of dialogue from the books.



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
There is something on my mind? Eddard Stark, does his honor, his nobility, strike you as odd? I mean is this guy really prepared to deal with people who we happen to know shoved his kid out a tower window?
As always, is it naivete'? is it wit?. I'm not prepared to take Ned at face value.



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
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There is something on my mind? Eddard Stark, does his honor, his nobility, strike you as odd? I mean is this guy really prepared to deal with people who we happen to know shoved his kid out a tower window?
As always, is it naivete'? is it wit?. I'm not prepared to take Ned at face value.

Hehe, a fellow suspect or of everyone. :) I won't answer that exactly, but one thing to keep in mind as you read is that every family has some basic motivations which can be very related to their location. The Starks are very close to the wall and the book opens with comments about how much more activity there has been of Wildlings coming across and dire wolves being where they hadn't been seen in years. How much do you think the southerners care about that? Eddard knows there is a political game that he hates and must play. It shall be revealed to what lengths he will go, I'm sure.

Also, there is a quote in book 4 (I think) that you are going to love! Hodor will remain significant and I love your question about his name but don't have a good answer yet.



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
Family locals surly are key as a starting point for plot, Family honor aside, Ned still bugs me, he has indulged his children to a point of treachery. Lets look at The Lady Sansa for a moment, so deluded by betrothal to the future king that she lies to protect him, the lie of course is only to curry favor with a bully. That's Neds little queen. The added cruelty is its her dog that's wacked at the hand of the honorable Ned. Sansas fear of the real world makes her cruel in the worst way, She's ignorant! How does the chapter end? The butcher's boy cleaved in two. Lets not forget naivete' and wit.



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
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Sansas fear of the real world makes her cruel in the worst way, She's ignorant!


You've hit upon a key point right there. She dreams like most little girls do of being a princess. What would you do if your dreams were about to come true and might be ruined, especially if you haven't yet learned to think about the effect on other people?



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
As I mentioned before, I like the author's prose. His characters are human and make poor choices, just like people in real life. However, because some of his characters are so young, perhaps their choices are due not so much to the evil inside of them but to their inexperience with life. The sexual content is not romantic and I like romantic, although the love scene between Dany and Drogo was not bad. The murder of 7-year-old Bran is full of foreboding and more evil to come. I keep hoping for something cheerful and good in the characters, but it's not happening. When Eddard goes off to become advisor to the King, while his son is dying, seems to be the epitomy of ambition, but then men and women were different in those days, weren't they? I say that with some sarcasm. Tyrion seems the most human character, maybe beause he knows the pain of reality.



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
Tyrion is a favorite character of many people. His family members are all a******s yet he seems to keep above a******ness.

I'm fascinated by the view that Eddard is trying to get something. In other circles I'm in most people find him to be awesome good guy. I personally see him as going to be advisor because he cared more about his family than what he wanted to do...didn't he have an argument with his wife about wanting to stay home?



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
Crystalline, I think you'll find GRRM is more a "the truth is gritty, ugly and dangerous" sort of writer. As such, romantic love doesn't come into the story often.
...Actually, thinking about it, romantic love seems to have a very specific interpretation in the story... But I think it's better to discuss that a bit later.

EDIT: It's surprising to me that you interpret Eddard's motivation the way you do... I'd always assumed that Eddard was just being loyal to Robert, and taking on the responsibility thrust upon him. Remember that everyone just assumes that Bran fell off the tower, they don't know what actually happened. Bran's fall is certainly tragic, but should it influence Eddard's promise to Robert? Maybe if he suspected that someone had tried to kill his son, but if it's a simple circumstance of fate?

If there's anyone here who's being ambitious about the whole enterprise, it's Catelyn. She actively lobbies for her husband to take on the duty of King's hand, in part for her children and, I think, in part because she hopes to get away from the north. Unfortunately for her, the whole thing backfires when Ned asks her to stay in Winterfell.


EDIT2: I think my favorite line in this set of chapters is, at once poetic, symbolic and powerfully evocative... a rough word that resonates deeply in the larynx as it is said, the very act of saying it mystifies and causes a sense of wonder... what, truly, could it mean? The simple and powerful nature of the character from who's mouth this paradoxical exclamation escapes belies the deep spiritual significance of these two quizzical syllables....

Hodor wrote:
HODOR



EDIT3: I agree with Taylor and scrumfish that location seems to influence the characters. But I think it's more than that, the locations themselves seem to begin as extensions of the characters' nature... Winterfell is an extension of the "Starks". Location isn't the only thing that gets touched by this, I feel. The sigils also seem to stem from the characters, there's certainly a symbolic "resonance" between the direwolf and the starks, between the stag and Robert Baratheon, the golden lion and the golden haired Lannisters.
And then you have the direwolves, who are plainly symbolic of their masters and the relationships between them.. Nymeria yerns to go with Ghost and Jon, although Arya must leave to face the Septa and her mother... Then there's the contrast between Ghost and the other direwolves, white and huge with red eyes... Bran's wolf (yet unnamed, why?) seems content to wait for him at the foot of the sentinel tree at first, but begins to howl as he starts his ascent up the old tower, as if aware of the danger ahead. And then he stays by his window howling while his master lies convalescent. The names themselves have a symbolic significance, more clear in some cases than in others: Lady and Sansa, Nymeria and Arya, Grey Wind and Robb, Ghost and Jon, Shaggy Dog and Rickon.... Bran and ... who?



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Post Re: A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One: Ch. 08 through 15
Catelyne was if i remember responding to a note from her sister concerning the strange circumstance of Robert Arryn's death.Ned still troubles me, i can under stand a kings command but he just doesn't seem to question motivation. Ned is certainly brave and honorable and smart but still in some way i think he's weak. its subtle but i think its still there. as for Catelyne she does not lack motivation,( her families safety) She forces herself to leave Winterfell with an idea that is not thought out fully.



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I'm not so sure the word to describe Ned here is 'weak'... He doesn't seem weak to me. In fact, as lord of Winterfell he seems capable enough, so far. He doesn't squirm at the prospect of executing his own judgement, his people respect him, his sons are each individual and unique, not afraid of him, but respectful. His subjects within the castle seem happy and relaxed enough, but disciplined enough that the business of the castle goes on as it should... and Winterfell is well off enough that it can set a feast for the King at week's notice.
I think a better word to describe Ned is 'Honor-bound'. Ned clearly would rather not go to King's Landing, but he feels he has to. Not only for Robert's sake, but because he understands someone has to look into Jon Arryn's death, and his wife and maester convince him that 'someone' should be him.



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yoink....


After reading a couple of the blog entries, I realize it's a really bad idea to share the blog here... Most of these articles contain huge spoilers, and the author links to a speculation site that has some very strong theories concerning some of the most impressive plot twists in the series.... I may have ruined my own chance at being surprised by the story, and I don't think I wish that on anybody else.

If one of you does want to check it out (because some of the stuff being said here is super interesting, and the theories are intriguing), pm me and I'll send you the link.



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