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50 Reasons People Give for Believing in God by Guy P. Harrison

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Re: 50 Reasons People Give for Believing in God by Guy P. Harrison

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I'm pleased to see this book being discussed. Are you all aware "50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God" was our Non-Fiction book selection back in August and September of 2008?

Here is the archived book discussion for this book.

Now, more importantly, I see the below people currently participating in this thread/discussion.

1. Geo
2. LanDroid
3. Ant
4. DWill
5. brother bob
6. youkrst
7. Interbane
8. Harry Marks

We're a bit behind on selecting a new non-fiction book for discussion. Several of us were talking about Guy P. Harrison's new release Good Thinking: What You Need to Know to be Smarter, Safer, Wealthier, and Wiser, as a good possibility for our next non-fiction book. That fact coupled with the fact that 8 of you are already having a talk about Guy's "50 Reasons" book prompted me to make an executive decision and just move forward with selecting "Good Thinking" as our new non-fiction book for discussion. We simply were out of time and this seems to make logical sense.

So the new forum is now up but "Good Thinking" is not actually released until October 6, 2015. We'll be reading and discussing it in Oct., Nov. & Dec. 2015 as our 141st book. :-)

Any of you that are interested in participating please go "Check in" in that forum so everyone knows who they can expect to have the opportunity to interact with in the book discussion.

If we have enough people discussing the book I'll ask Guy P. Harrison to a live chat.
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Harry Marks wrote:
geo wrote: Obvious or not, belief in gods deserves to be challenged. Believers owe it to the world and our collective future to at least hear and consider basic questions about gods. These claims can't be given a pass because they are connected to some of humankind's most divisive and dangerous behavior.
To me this is the sign of dangerously shallow thinking. While some of religious behavior is divisive and dangerous, most of it is aimed at generating cohesion and cooperation. This author has nothing but confirmation bias to show that religion is on balance responsible for division and threat. . . .
It takes a certain amount of dissociation not to see the religious aspect of terrorists flying jetliners into buildings while shouting ‘Allahu Akbar.’ But actually, Harrison doesn’t mention the 9/11 terrorist attacks in this chapter. He’s more interested in some of the rationalizations that believers use to prop up their beliefs and the tendency, especially, in the U.S., to give religious beliefs a very wide berth.

You do make a good point that it’s not religion alone that accounts for hateful and divisive beliefs. But frequently we see a tendency to fly the religion banner over a wide array of beliefs that often overlap into other areas, especially politics. Kim Davis, for example, didn’t want to issue marriage licenses to gay couples and some tried to make it about religious freedom. But clearly this issue spilled over into other areas which do, in fact, affect other Americans.

In the U.S., at least, it’s pretty much open season on politics all the time. Political ideas are openly and vigorously challenged. Indeed, all bad ideas should be challenged in the marketplace of ideas. But in the U.S., there’s this strange hands-off attitude when it comes to religion. And it has led to all kinds of religiously enshrined anti-intellectualism and bigotry, which has almost nothing to do with religious theology.

I agree that there’s a tendency to focus entirely on religious beliefs when, in fact, stupidity comes in many flavors across the spectrum. But because of the tendency to lump fringe politics and anti-science attitudes under the guise of “religious belief” or even religious freedom, we have junk thought (an expression I take from Susan Jacoby) getting a free pass in the marketplace of ideas. This contributes to a dangerous ignorance that threatens our democracy. In the U.S. (again), we see the mainstream conservative party in bed with religious fundamentalists and the results aren’t very pretty. We actually have had presidents (George W. Bush, for example) and even in the current crop of GOP presidential candidates who pay lip service to the idea that evolution is “just a theory” and that intelligent design should be taught alongside of evolution in public schools and that immunizations should be voluntary and that stem cell research is morally wrong. We also have a whole movement, especially in Texas, attempting to rewrite the history books to de-emphasize inconvenient facts that conflict with the revisionist fantasy that America is a “Christian nation.” And pushing the idea that all beliefs are equal, implying that belief in evolution is on par with religious fantasies like Noah’s ark or that there actually was a first man and a first woman (who actually came from the man’s rib).

Pandering to widespread anti-science attitudes and wholesale ignorance and much of this junk thought has only a cursory connection to theology. It would be strange if someone said, I’m entitled to my political beliefs and it’s downright rude or UnAmerican to challenge them. Because all bad ideas, no matter where they come from, should be challenged in an open society.
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"Pandering to widespread anti-science attitudes and wholesale ignorance and much of this junk thought has only a cursory connection to theology. It would be strange if someone said, I’m entitled to my political beliefs and it’s downright rude or UnAmerican to challenge them. Because all bad ideas, no matter where they come from, should be challenged in an open society."

Geo how do make such a claim?

My book is full of science!! My book has 70 proofs stated to claim the earth is less than 10,000 years.

Do you know how the latest dating of the earth being 13.7 billion years old? Please look it up and discuss how that is somehow science.

Also, how many models has science come up with about the earth and our universe. In my life time there has been I believe 4 models - the earth was shrinking and dying, 2) we were a bubble in the universe, 3) we are a bubble in the bathtub of bubles, 4) the earth is now 13.7 billion years old.

Science was to be based on observable facts - a minimum of 2 are wrong, and I believe 3 of them are wrong. Good day!
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And Geo before inserting foot in mouth you might want to find all of the MAJOR scientific discoveries made because of the Bible. Get back to me when you find one. Tired of spoon feeding you and badmouthing the book with no evidence.
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brother bob wrote:"Pandering to widespread anti-science attitudes and wholesale ignorance and much of this junk thought has only a cursory connection to theology. It would be strange if someone said, I’m entitled to my political beliefs and it’s downright rude or UnAmerican to challenge them. Because all bad ideas, no matter where they come from, should be challenged in an open society."

Geo how do make such a claim?

My book is full of science!! My book has 70 proofs stated to claim the earth is less than 10,000 years.

Do you know how the latest dating of the earth being 13.7 billion years old? Please look it up and discuss how that is somehow science.

Also, how many models has science come up with about the earth and our universe. In my life time there has been I believe 4 models - the earth was shrinking and dying, 2) we were a bubble in the universe, 3) we are a bubble in the bathtub of bubles, 4) the earth is now 13.7 billion years old.

Science was to be based on observable facts - a minimum of 2 are wrong, and I believe 3 of them are wrong. Good day!
Hi Bob,

I'm guessing English isn't your first language and some of your comments are probably getting lost in the translation. But if you are claiming the earth is less than 10,000 years old, it shows how religious-motivated reasoning can lead to very false conclusions. Thanks for demonstrating that!
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So because you make an audacious claim with no proof than your point is right. WOW! What intellectual thinking. Not a very good debator. You don't discuss you just proclaim you have facts because the words roll off your tongue. This is sadly becoming the norm of America. By book aims to change that by giving people the "ammunition" to engage people in a conversation. Is ask questions and you give me nothing. come on man! Get better.
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brother bob wrote:And Geo before inserting foot in mouth you might want to find all of the MAJOR scientific discoveries made because of the Bible.
Name one major scientific discovery made because of the Bible. :chatsmilies_com_92:
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anesthesia - was discovered by a Christian. This is placed in the book also. You might want to study out why he discovered this was available. People were normally operated on while they were awake for much of earths time. The book name 5 or 6 only because it overwhelmingly proved the Bible is an authentic book of God. Not conclusively by itself, but it is another major piece proving that the book is INSPIRED (God not man must have been the author of the book). Men have not known about putting people asleep for an operation. However, God showed this was not just possible but actually capable to do. If a book contains concepts man cannot come up with on their own - Who devised the message? Good day! Hang in there. See cognitive discussions are better than bitter insults.
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brother bob, it would help if you let us know if English is not your native tongue. What is your primary or native language?
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Tks for being serious and staying on point. You proved me right. Tks so much! Men love to be right. I appreciate you looking out for me. What you have questions about feel free to ask. Someday I wish we meet in person.
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