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4 men hear voice saying "Help me, help me" from a car upside down in water

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Re: 4 men hear voice saying "Help me, help me" from a car upside down in water

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Ant is basically saying,

"these people said something magical happened. So it did.

You are arrogant for assuming that whatever actually took place that day is a thing that is possible in the real world."

Saying something is supernatural is saying it isn't possible in our universe. Why in hell do you fight so hard to convince yourself that the things that happen around you are impossible?

Either they heard it from the mother before she died. Or they heard someone else say save them, or some other sound that was similar to "help us" but their brains latched onto "help us".

Ever been talking to someone and mis-hear what they said? Ever have to have someone repeat something? What about people in a different room, half-heard while you were doing something else? How about this, ever hear your phone ring in the other room, and nobody's called?

Your brain can pull patterns of meaning out of the noise in the air. Words that haven't been said, and phone calls that were never received. It is known.

So in this situation where these guys saved this kids life, going through an amazingly stressful event, is it more likely that they misheard something or that a person reached from beyond the grave to telepathically communicate with the rescuers?

For clarity, i don't think anybody is dismissing the rescuers. They are dismissing the magical thinking involved in this phony story about magic telepathy that led to the rescue, and the perpetrators who try to seize on this genuinely amazing story and co-opt it to try to support their flimsy magical world view. Know anyone like that, Ant?
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Re: 4 men hear voice saying "Help me, help me" from a car upside down in water

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ant wrote:Im upset here and need to leave this thread before anything else is said.
oh great VGD, father of the OPP (obscure peasant preacher) please help ant cheer up with a nice cup of tea and possibly some cookies if he likes those. And may you strike down with vengeance on any simpleton troll who dares to arrogantly doubt the miraculous voice interpretation. We ask it in the mighty and as yet unspecified name you may or may not have. amen :)

oh PS: and please help us all with our dreadful arrogance and ignorance that has infuriated and exasperated our dear friend and worthy adversary, ant.
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Re: 4 men hear voice saying "Help me, help me" from a car upside down in water

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johnson1010 wrote:Ant is basically saying,

"these people said something magical happened. So it did.

You are arrogant for assuming that whatever actually took place that day is a thing that is possible in the real world."

Saying something is supernatural is saying it isn't possible in our universe. Why in hell do you fight so hard to convince yourself that the things that happen around you are impossible?

Either they heard it from the mother before she died. Or they heard someone else say save them, or some other sound that was similar to "help us" but their brains latched onto "help us".

Ever been talking to someone and mis-hear what they said? Ever have to have someone repeat something? What about people in a different room, half-heard while you were doing something else? How about this, ever hear your phone ring in the other room, and nobody's called?

Your brain can pull patterns of meaning out of the noise in the air. Words that haven't been said, and phone calls that were never received. It is known.

So in this situation where these guys saved this kids life, going through an amazingly stressful event, is it more likely that they misheard something or that a person reached from beyond the grave to telepathically communicate with the rescuers?

For clarity, i don't think anybody is dismissing the rescuers. They are dismissing the magical thinking involved in this phony story about magic telepathy that led to the rescue, and the perpetrators who try to seize on this genuinely amazing story and co-opt it to try to support their flimsy magical world view. Know anyone like that, Ant?
Oh, yeah?? Well, I saw it on "One Step Beyond" one time so that blows your theory.
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Re: 4 men hear voice saying "Help me, help me" from a car upside down in water

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johnson1010 wrote:For clarity, i don't think anybody is dismissing the rescuers. They are dismissing the magical thinking involved in this phony story about magic telepathy that led to the rescue, and the perpetrators who try to seize on this genuinely amazing story and co-opt it to try to support their flimsy magical world view. Know anyone like that, Ant?
Thanks, Johnson.

Agree with much you say here. I'm not sure the rescuers ever said that anything supernatural happened. They're simply saying they heard a voice and are baffled by where it came from, assuming the mother had been dead for many hours. (As such, the autopsy should be really interesting). "How do you explain that? I don’t know,” one of the officers said. There are only insinuations by others (who weren't there) that something magical happened. I think it's up to Ant to make that assertion if that's what he believes.

Meanwhile, I'm going to assume there's a natural explanation for what the policemen heard. It's interesting, I think, that some people would assume that something magical happened on the basis of what's not known. Because we simply don't know whose voice the rescuers heard at this point, assuming they heard a voice at all.

Here's an article that ran in the Washington Post along with a video from one of the officer's body cameras. There was much mayhem at the time of the rescue, as can be expected.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... /?hpid=z11
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