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Post Yes. Evolution.
excellent video.

This thing is great!

http://www.wimp.com/niceinfo/

(Addition 1/21/2011)

It turns out that this is one part of a series of videos produced by AronRa.
I have a thread going for the separate parts of this series over in the belief and religion section, as i think that is the place that it will generate the most discussion, seeing as the majority of this series is focused on wiping the floor with creationist propaganda.

Find links to those discussions below.

1st Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: Evolutioin = Atheism
topic10093.html

2nd: Scriptures are the word of God
2nd-foundational-falsehood-of-creationsim-scriptures-are-the-word-of-god-t10094.html

3rd: Absolute Truth
3rd-foundational-falsehood-of-creationsim-absolute-truth-t10095.html

4th: Belief = Knowledge
4th-foundational-falsehood-of-creationism-belief-knowledge-t10099.html

5th: Evolution is a religious "ism"
5th-foundational-falsehood-of-creationsim-evolution-is-a-religious-ism-t10101.html

6th: Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe, and everything.
6th-foundational-falsehood-of-creationism-evolution-must-explain-everything-t10102.html

7th: Evolution is random
7th-foundational-falsehood-in-creationism-evolution-is-random-t10128.html

8th: Mutations are rare and always harmful
topic10129.html

9th: No transitional species has ever been found
topic10130.html

10th: The branching tree pattern of evolution is not evident
topic10133.html

11th: Macro Evolution
topic10132.html

12th: Creationism is Scientific
topic10131.html

13th:Evolution is a fraud
topic10134.html

14th: Creation is evident
topic10135.html

15th: Evolution is just a theory and unprovable.
topic10136.html


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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
"We're not just saying you descended from primates, either. We are saying you are a primate.

Humans have been clasified as primates since the 1700s when a christian, creationist scientist figured out what a primate was."


man that had me laughing!


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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
bonobo apes.

Check out this research facility and their bonobos. They never trained these apes to do anything in these videos. Just like babys, these apes learned what they do in this video by watching those important to them and learning. These bonobos write symbols on the floor with hyroglyphs the researchers have been using around them to indicate what they want to do.

They help set up camps, build fires (including lighting with a lighter *not trained*). attempts to drive the golf carts, interest in music and a lot more.

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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
evolution of the eyeball.

Irreducible complexity?
SURPRISE!

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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
Another good break-down on evolution.

http://www.wimp.com/evolutionsbasics/


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Post Evolution- Biology- Rate of Change
There are moments throughout time where evolution pushes forward and different species are capable of evolving at a faster rate than usual. However, this accelerated rate of change takes anywhere from 10,000 years to a million years to occur. With the acceleration of technology in the past 50 years it may become impossible for human evolution to keep up with the pace of technology. What do we do when evolution can't keep up with the rate of change in technology that humans are now forced to confront?

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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
http://www.wimp.com/evolutioneye/

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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
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Post Re: Evolution- Biology- Rate of Change
anewhope wrote:
What do we do when evolution can't keep up with the rate of change in technology that humans are now forced to confront?
I don't know. I didn't read the link. But giving here the benefit of all doubt to the propostion that evolution works by tending to allow those who best fit their current surroundings to continue on it's not a given that the best, brightest, strongest, fastest, or best looking of any species will be the ones whose genetic code extends out to the future... evolution is not particularly utopian in either process or effect - - not that you said it was. This really has very little to do with what you wrote... but for whatever reason it has me writing this. So when humans become woefully inadequate to their surroundings (be it through species-wide promotion to incompetence as you suggest or as a result of planned environmental degredation or perhaps an old fashioned nuclear winter or something similar) perhaps it will be time for the less intelligent species to again rule. This too would be an example of survival of the fittest every bit as much as is the case with the current dominance of humanity. And does anyone seriously believe that humanity will outlast cockroaches? So to go back to your question of what to do when computers are too complicated for us I'll say that we should hide when it's bright and try to become radiation resistant. In other words, adapt.



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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
I always like to say we humans are just monkeys with guns, meaning evolutionarily we aren't very different than apes, but technologically we are far advanced. Dawkins talks about the time lag problem, saying we are perfectly adapted for how conditions were about 10,000 years ago. As such, we have some basic incompatibilities with our environment which we have changed dramatically just in the last few hundred years. When a moth flies into a candle flame it is probably responding to the candle flame as if were a celestial object which it has evolved to use for navigation. Humans likely have all kinds of candle flame scenarios and most are of our own making.


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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
Sorry to take this thread on a tangent, but I just stumbled on this interview with Richard Dawkins. I think this interview is about 1996.

An excerpt:

Quote:
Skeptic: In your speech the other night you said that the perceptual systems of animals represent the world as their near, or possibly even far, ancestors constructed them based upon natural selection. Can the world evolve faster than the sensory systems of the animals? Are many animals living today in a sensory world that no longer exists, as when the moth flies into the candle flame?

Dawkins: When a moth flies into a candle flame presumably it is responding to the candle flame as if were a celestial object at optical infinity and acting appropriately to that situation, not the one it is in fact currently facing. It frequently happens that the real world evolves faster than an animal's cognitive map of it.

Skeptic: Does that ever happen to human beings?

Dawkins: Human beings are completely surrounded by the equivalent of "candle flames." Notorious examples are our desire for sugar and fat--in nature the rule is, whenever you can get them, eat them. But when there's a surplus of those substance, they become bad for you. Most of what we strive for in our modern life uses the apparatus of goal seeking that was originally set up to seek goals in the state of nature. But now the goal-seeking apparatus has been switched to different goals, like making money or hedonistic pleasures of one sort or another. Natural selection equips us with "Rules of Thumb," which in a state of nature have the effect of promoting the survival of our selfish genes. The Rules of Thumb go on, even though in this world of "candle flames" they no longer promote our inclusive fitness.


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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
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I think the discussion of chicken v egg is still debated greatly for a couple of reasons.
1/ because difference in view between evolution and creation
2/-because we didn't witness it happening we have trouble believing.


from :
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Regardless of the chicken/egg discussion there, there is a statement to be addressed about evolution in the above.

Warning. Here come da science.


Evolution and Creation are not competing theories any more than Chemistry and Alchemy are competing theories. One is absolute bogus magical thinking and the other is the scientific study and report of objective observed data.

Creation is not the alternative to Evolution. It is an assertion without evidence in a vain attempt to keep an out-dated mode of thought relevant by surrounding it with quasi-scientific jargon in a hope to impress the un-informed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_taxonomy

Here is why humans are primates.

Very simply, if you follow our taxonomic classifications it not only describes our morphology, biology, and reproductive strategy, it also describes the exact process of our evolutionary past.

Notice that humans fit into the descriptive characteristics of each of these divisions and advancement down the chain of daughter sets is an additional characteristic which defines us and separates our species from other organisms which do not share our evolutionary heritage but also these classifications INCLUDE all animals which DO share those characteristics up to that point making them our evolutionary relatives.

When you see a word on this list such as “Craniata”, that does not mean that we simply evolved FROM this category, it also means that we still are intrinsically a part of that group. That is, we still are organisms with a brain enclosed in a skull. That goes the same for every single item on this list, and likewise for any other organism which shares these characteristics with us.

NOTE: Clade is the label given to some taxomonic groupings.

Humans are:

Biota [all life on Earth, including precellular life]
Humans are alive

Clade - Cytota [all cellular life; LUCA, Prokarya, Bacteria]
Humans are cellular organisms. Putting us in the same group as all cellular life on the planet

Clade - Neomura [like Archaea, also included, oldest neomura, common ancestor with them]
A differentiation of cell walls. Ours are composed of glycoproteins, rather than peptidoglycan.


Domain - Eukarya [like Bikonta, also included, oldest eukaryotes, common
ancestor with them; cellular nucleus; first eukaryotic multicellular organisms; plants]
Humans' cells are nucleic

Clade - Unikonta [only one flagellum, think sperm cell; like Amoebozoa, also included, common ancestor with them]

Clade - Opisthokonts [like Fungi, also included, oldest opisthokonts, common ancestor with them]
Indicating the use of a posterior flagellum.


Clade – Holozoa
Here we exclude fungus.


Clade – Filozoa
Animals and nearest single celled relatives.


Kingdom - Animalia/Metazoa
Surprise, humans are animals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metazoa
We must ingest other organisms to survive, we go through changes in our life cycle, and we are mobile.


Subkingdom - Eumetazoa [remotest origin of animal motility]
We have differentiated tissue. IE: lung tissue is for breathing, muscle is for moving.

Clade - Bilateria [having bilateral symmetry]
We share this trait with all animals which are bilaterally symmetrical.

Remember that this is a continuous description of the human animal, and also mirrors our evolutionary path. These are the steps that were taken in our long evolutionary path from single celled organism to Homo Sapien.


Superphylum - Deuterostomia [forms the anus before the mouth in early development of the digestive system.

Phylum - Chordata
We have spinal cords


Clade - Craniata [animals with skulls]
Humans have skulls.


Subphylum - Vertebrata [...and backbones]


Infraphylum - Gnathostomata[...and jaws]

from here we go either cartilage down to sharks or calcified bone which leads to land animals.


Superclass – Osteichthyes
We have bony skeletons.


Class - Sarcopterygii [Includes lobe-finned fish and all land vertebrates.]
Outcroppings of the body which will later evolve into limbs.


Infraclass - Tetrapodamorpha
Superclass - Tetrapoda [...and four limbs for terrestrial locomotion]
Clade - Amniota [...and amniotic eggs ("terrestrial" eggs)]
now we are described as having four limbs and the development of the amnion which allows for dry land birth. this puts us in common with all animals with four limbs who give birth on land. All animals with these characteristics share a common heritage with us to this point.


Subclass - Synapsida
having to do with the temporal fenestra in the skull. (The soft spot on your temple where your jaw muscle runs up the side of your head.) Reptiles are anapsid (no fenestra) or diapsid(two temporal fenestra). They diverge from us here.


Order – Therapsida
Larger fenestrae than other types, jaws more complex.

Clade – Theriodontia
Differentiation of teeth, incisors and molars.


Suborder - Cynodontia
here we see the development of the canine tooth
Clade - Epicynodontia
Infraorder – Eucynodontia
Speaks further of our tooth structure.


Clade - Probainognathia
Clade – Chiniquodontoidea
Gaining mammalian cheracteristics.


Clade - Mamaliamorpha
Clade – Mammaliaformes
“mammal shaped”


Class - Mammalia [all mammals]
are a class of vertebrate, air-breathing animals whose females are characterized by the possession of mammary glands while both males and females are characterized by hair and/or fur, three middle ear bones used in hearing, and a neocortex region in the brain. Some mammals have sweat glands, but most do not.

Subclass – Theriiformes
We give birth to live young without the aid of a shelled egg.


Infraclass - Holotheria
Superlegion – Trechnotheria
one of most prominent features of this group is the "hypertrophied postvallum/prevallid shearing mechanism. Its how your incisors work.


Legion - Cladotheria
Sublegion - Zatheria
Infralegion – Tribosphenida
These include the groups of ancestors leading to us with varying changes in morphology.

Supercohort - Theria
Cohort - Eutheria
we diverge from marsupials here, as eutherians have placental birth.


Magnorder – Boreoeutheria
External testicles. Enter the ball-sack.


Superorder - Euarchontoglires
Grandorder - Euarchonta
Epiorder – Primatomorpha
Pairing down animals which share less and less with primates until we get to:


Order - Primates [arboreal prehensile locomotion; terrestrial bipedal leaping in some cases; Strepsirrhini, Prosimians, also included, oldest living primates, common ancestor with them]

Primates are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primates

Humans are, literally… by definition, primates.


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Post Re: Yes. Evolution.
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Humans are, literally… by definition, primates.


Primates with guns you mean.


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I've been hearing lately of significant non-religious scientists who are themselves convinced that Evolution does not account for what we now know when figuring in the Information carrying nature of DNA. Used to be we just had to account for matter and energy...There are a significant number of well respected quite secular (as opposed to religiously motivated) scientists discarding the theory of Evolution--for what? they don't know, but they see clear evidence of design.


Dawn, I would be very interested in some quotes you might provide in support of this claim.

I wrote:
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creationism and evolution are not at all on the same level of credibility.

Creationism is a hold-out for our personal secret desires to be superior in some fundamental mystical way from all other animals. Evolution dissolves our favorite fairytale about how the world was created specially just for us, because we are so special, by clearly and conclusively demonstrating that we are just one link in a terrifically long chain of organisms with traits behaviors and propensities passed down to us from the primordial ooze which birthed our eukaryote ancestors. It is for this vanity, and this vanity ALONE that creationists refuse to acknowledge the obvious and abundant truth of evolution.


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NONOPPOSITIONAL NONVIOLENCE “The minute you conquer the fear of death, at that moment you are free. I submit to you that if a man hasn’t discovered something that he will die f… more

Posted: 55 days ago
by jamessanderson

FEBRUARY 26TH, SUNDAY

Yesterday, when I went to feed Jeni the donkey, I noticed swarms of bees entering Ebrima’s house through the cracks in the door. We both had a look, but he didn’t open his door… more

Posted: 55 days ago
by heledd

Exciting News...Now You Can Order Blessings of the Father - Book One on sale at only $4.98 on B&N.com!

Hello fellow followers of the written word:

I'm pleased to tell you that there is finally a downloadable epub version for Book One of my saga; Blessings of the Father … more

Posted: 80 days ago
by mitchreed

What Number Talks Is All About

Whether you want to implement number talks but are unsure of how to begin or have experience but want more guidance in crafting purposeful problems, this dynamic multimedia resourc… more

Posted: 81 days ago
by msbeth

Feeling Entitled Is Not Always A Bad Thing

Do you feel entitled? For years I have listened to and, in some instances, complained that some people in America feel entitled. For years I have watched as these people are portra… more

Posted: 81 days ago
by life is a business

Free Kindle promotion very successful for The 12th Disciple

On Fat Tuesday and Ash Wednesday of 2012, The 12th Disciple was free to Kindle users on both days. In all, about 550 worldwide Kindle users downloaded a copy of the book.

The 12… more

Posted: 82 days ago
by 12th disciple

Sacred Are the Brave

‘Sacred Are the Brave’ a collection of short stories about the nonviolent revolutions 1986-1989 is now available in Kindle. Each of the nine stories has characters who are just … more

Posted: 85 days ago
by jamessanderson

The Weekend Trippers

The Weekend Trippers’ is the true story of Rfn Ted Taylor and his part in the heroic last stand in Calais May 1940. The Weekend Trippers is based on Ted’s diaries written at the… more

Posted: 88 days ago
by carolemct




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