*hands Stahrwe a mirror.

Who is that? I mean in order to call someone an enemy you have to separate yourself from them. They lose their humanity. This is how and why wars get started.

Stah -

In perusing the Southern Baptist Convention website I came across this publication published by the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary:



Since you have stated that your denomination does not believe in the subjugation of women, why is there no corresponding booklet that "addresses the important topic of modeling and teaching modesty in [men]?"

Wow, and that is recent. I love how we criticize Muslims for the way we treat women when we are just as sexist on many levels.

Wow. I think wearing Burkas would be easier. That takes away any choice. And once again blaming women for rape. 'You have to be in control of what you wear because men are just incapaple of having any contol around women who do not dress modestly'.

It continuously amazes me how Star starts these threads with the intent of showing us all the truth of his claims and belief… and then how badly he gets embarrassed… the worst part is that he does not even realize how badly he is being humiliated.

Later

Well Frank, that's because we are not worthy of hearing the absolutely amazing, completely convincing evidence that Star is holding back from us.

You will note in many of these conversations he makes allusions to mind blowing proof that he is keeping in his back pocket, just in case someone manages to really challenge one of the holy doctrines.

If he were ever to show this amazing truth to our un-enlightened minds, our faces would melt off like the nazi's in front of the ark.

be thankful he only argues with half a mind Frank.

The following is taken directly from an article on the Southern Baptist Convention website (emphasis mine):

http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=htt ... SEMINARIES




According to the Stah's Southern Baptist Convention, the wife submits to the husband just as the husband submits to Jesus.

No ambiguity here. There is no equality between men and women, women are to submit.

And not to serve in the ministry.

From the article Husbands, Wives, Headship, and Submission on the Southern Baptist Convention website (emphasis mine):


http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=htt ... SEMINARIES



Unbelievable.

LOL!!!! I truly doubt that… however I still wonder about one simple question… what allows a person to believe (with total conviction no less) what they would normally admit impossible in every other situation? And with no supporting evidence whatsoever!

Is it “faith”?

If so they have fallen victim to the churches’ ultimate cop out… “We do not need to provide evidence… you need more faith!”

So sad...

Later

Below is an excerpt from Baptist Faith and Message Sermon 20, The Family written by Calvin Wittman.

http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/article_main ... %2C00.html



This is not atheistic propaganda, it isn't anti-religious attack literature, this a sermon written by a pastor who sits on the Executive Committee of your esteemed Southern Baptist Convention.

Reading this crap is enough to make a decent man puke.

I was reading through this post because I find it interesting but I have not said anything until now because most of my thoughts have already been eloquently and clearly spoken. I did rankle a bit at this quote from Stahrwe though, mainly because it shows such a lack of education or even willingness to engage in educational processes that I had to say something.



What data do you have that he biblical stories were written before the other stories? What about the Madonna and child imagry that existed long before Jesus was even mentioned in the New testament? (Egyptian mythos) If you are going to say something about what came before, can you please cite your sources for this assumption?

Agreed.



This is very true… Star is speaking from ignorance on this matter… all of the stories in the bible… especially the new testament were done before… and done better.

The early church indirectly admitted their blatant theft of other religious stories when their leaders were writing letters to each other saying that the similarities between the stories of Christianity and other (earlier) religions were a result of the devil trying to deceive the people… they were basically saying that the devil made up those other religions first to try to discredit Christianity when Jesus was finally born.

Of course this is all a load of crap… and I think that even they knew it when they came up with their excuse.

What Star is missing here is that his justifications are outrageous and unbelievable to a rational person… that is what apologetics is… apologizing for the bible being so messed up…

Unfortunately for Star, he does not seem to understand one simple fact (well one among many) which is this…

When one is forced to justify… they are already wrong.

The bible is not inherent… the stories within are myth and fable and anyone who believes otherwise does so in spite of the evidence… not because of it.

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it's enough to stupefy the imagination.

No man would believe his daughter if she told him that her child was immaculate conception. Yet they are more than willing to accept the virgin birth of Jesus.

They ridicule modern "prophets" and "man-gods" such as what we see with Raëlism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism
but have no problem accepting a fictional character from two thousand years ago.

Any religious person can look at Raëlism and see it as nonsense with hardly a glance, but they fail in assessing their own religions.

People who demand proof for everyday things, like whether or not they should use an umbrella, will swallow the garbage of the bible with a smile on their face.

Think about it. People wouldn't buy a lawn mower without proof of performance! how in hell are people basing such fundamental views of the world on religion, which not only has no proof of its own, but dismisses MASSIVE amounts of data to the contrary?

Mind numbing.