Gene Matlock is a Non-notable academic. Is only known as fringe historian with theories that don't seem to have any references from reliable sources. No significant coverage of the subject or his theories by reliable sources unaffiliated with the subject. Not notable at all in real life, and his flakiness seems to have attracted only a little attention from other flakes. Non-notable retired high-school teacher with some strange ideas about history. All the books appear to be self-published, the "magazine" article seems to be a blog; the one reliable source that mentions him does so in passing in an article on fringe historians who make outrageous claims without evidence. I'm not sure a single article qualifies him as a notable fringe historian, and so he remains simply a fringe historian without peer-reviewed publications.
My impression is he upset some bigots.
Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:22 pm
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Interesting.
Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:25 pm
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quote="stahrwe"]en need to let us men clean the way we do. It may not be your way, but let me do it my way.
What is this Stahrwe?
I took over the cooking for several years. At first my wife didn't like my way. She used to make french fries starting with whole potatoes while I might use frozen. after a bit she god used to it. As for cleaning, I never seem to do it in a way which satisfies her.
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Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:40 pm
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Abraham-Sarah is a Judaising of the Hindu Brahma-Sarasvati. The story of the arrival of Abraham coincides with the drying of the Sarasvati River in India in 1900BC. If you want to hear the voice of Sarah, read about Sarasvati in the Vedas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraswati
Oh cool. Thank you, Robert. I knew that many of the Biblical stories came from stories already in existence from surrounding areas. I did not know that Sarah and Abraham was one of these.
It is the other way round. The stories in other cultures are perversions of the Hebrew Bible.
There is nothing remotely like the story of Sarah in the link RT provided. Additionally, RT impugns his own source Gene Matlock is beyond fringe. Goodgle him, you can read his theory and reason for removal, no controversy involved, just a nut.
Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:00 pm
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I took over the cooking for several years. At first my wife didn't like my way. She used to make french fries starting with whole potatoes while I might use frozen. after a bit she god used to it. As for cleaning, I never seem to do it in a way which satisfies her.
Every relationship is different. But I was talking more about the societal expectation that women are going to do the cooking, cleaning, and raising the children. For me, when people are in a family that means that everyone contributes to the household. But each family works things out differently. I am just not comfortable with stereotypical images of what a family should look like.
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The stories in other cultures are perversions of the Hebrew Bible.
I think that you and I probably have a different understanding of that. We will just have to agree to disagree.
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The stories in other cultures are perversions of the Hebrew Bible.
I think that you and I probably have a different understanding of that. We will just have to agree to disagree.
The idea that Hebrew mythology of Abraham and Sarah emerged from a Hindu migration west when the Sarasvati River dried up around 2000 BC, and the people brought their Gods of Brahma and Sarasvati to the Middle East, seems much more feasible than the fictional accounts of the Bible. I have not seen evidence for it beyond the etymology, but it makes stronger conceptual sense, given the mythological links, than the German-inspired claim the Vedas were written by Aryan invaders.
Stahrwe's description of non-Hebraic cultures as "perversions" is inflammatory, creationist, racist and false. This thread is about women's voices in the Bible. The Bible stories of Sarah and Mary are in large part edited from male perspective, the same perspective which addresses the ten commandments primarily to men. To hear women's voices behind the bible stories you often have to listen to non- Hebraic cultures.
The creationist agenda is to say only the ancient Jews and their Christian chosen successors are truly human. This narrow warped idea feeds to some equally false Zionist theory of the end times. How else could a creationist describe as a perversion the great ancient culture of India?
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Matlock does seem rather weird. I simply came across him in looking for information on the relation between Hebraic and Vedic mythology and found this quote, which seems to indicate a Vedic origin for Torah.
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In Sanskrit, Tara means "savior; protector." It is a term generally used with the gods Rudra, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma. Even our Old Testament says that the father (protector) of Abraham was Terah (Genesis 11:26.) The Bible tells us that Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings. (Genesis 12:19-20.). The Hindu holy books also tell us that a blood relationship existed between them. The Puranas relate Sarasvati to Brahma and Vishnu. Most frequently, she is associated with Brahma. Her connection with him dates earlier than to any other God. She is portrayed mostly as his wife and occasionally as his daughter. When Vishnu's popularity in India increased, myths relating Saraswati to him appeared. (Ref: Sarasvati and the Gods; www.vishvarupa.com.) Therefore, Brahma or Vishnu would also have been the Tara (Terah) of Sarasvati because of her divine origins.
Abraham or Brahma's home was the land of Haran (Genesis 1:4.) Haran was the coastal principality governed by Krishna. It was even named after him because Hara (Sun God) is another name of Krishna. Brahma/Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran.
Just as Christ was crucified on a cross and then returned to life, Krishna, also known as Haran, was crucified on a tree and then returned to life. This fact appears to cause some confusion in The Bible. (Read Genesis 11:26-31).
There is also another "Haran" in India-today's state of Haryana. It is the region where Abraham decided to stop making idols and worship only one God. Brahmavarta, a region in Northeastern Haryana, is said to be the place where mankind was first created. (Varta=Dwelling.) Brahmavarta was the site of the Kuruksetra War between the Kurus and Pandavas, in which Lord Krishna distinguished himself. An ancient and holy river, now dried up, the Sarasvati, once flowed through Brahmavarta. The Hakra (the biblical Haggar) was a tributary of the Sarasvati. The relationships of these three geographical entities make sense. If Brahma provided the channel or bed for the Sarasvati river, Brahmavarta could easily have been the symbolical father or brother of Sarasvati. Hakra (Haggar), being a tributary of Sarasvati, depended on Sarasvati . So what were Abraham, Sarah, and Haggar? People, things, or places?
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The followers of Zoroaster believed that at various times virgins would bathe in a lake where the sacred seed was preserved. They would give birth to Saoshyants who would be like saviors. Within all mankind, the knowledge of God is present, the God of the Bible. This knowledge is often perverted and deception is a powerful tool of our enemies.
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I don't really understand this, Stahrwe. Do you really think that people who do not agree with you are your enemies? Don't you think this is dangerous language? It is very alienating. It is the language of war. These are the terms that governments use to make us think that it is all right to kill people who are different than us.
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This knowledge is often perverted and deception is a powerful tool of our enemies.
I don't really understand this, Stahrwe. Do you really think that people who do not agree with you are your enemies? Don't you think this is dangerous language? It is very alienating. It is the language of war. These are the terms that governments use to make us think that it is all right to kill people who are different than us.
The term 'enemies' does not refer to anyone on BT or who thinks or says things that people on BT say.
The word 'our' does refer to people on BT and nearly everyone else in the world.
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Who are you referring to when you say enemies?
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