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Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

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Re: Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

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Dexter wrote:
ant wrote: The best explanation from someone with an atheistic worldview is that consciousness arose from a primordial soup.
It HAD to have because given enough time anything can happen.

Evidence ? NONE.
But it's better than believing in the alternative!
:hmm:
So, you do accept the fact that evolution of humans happened, or not? It's still not clear. Sounds like you don't. Or was God necessary for consciousness and everything else evolved?

No..,
the inference to the best explanation is that nothing created consciousness.

"nothing" is always both the most elegant and simple explanation you can pull out of a hat - along with logic and reason.

and "nothing" is natural.
and we like to keep our explanations naturalistic

so it makes sense that "nothing" is a part of nature.
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Re: Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

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ant wrote: No..,
the inference to the best explanation is that nothing created consciousness.

"nothing" is always both the most elegant and simple explanation you can pull out of a hat - along with logic and reason.

and "nothing" is natural.
and we like to keep our explanations naturalistic

so it makes sense that "nothing" is a part of nature.
So you're dippin', duckin', dodging again.

Do you consider it a fact that humans evolved from primitive organisms, or not?
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Re: Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

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Dexter wrote:
ant wrote: No..,
the inference to the best explanation is that nothing created consciousness.

"nothing" is always both the most elegant and simple explanation you can pull out of a hat - along with logic and reason.

and "nothing" is natural.
and we like to keep our explanations naturalistic

so it makes sense that "nothing" is a part of nature.
So you're dippin', duckin', dodging again.

Do you consider it a fact that humans evolved from primitive organisms, or not?
This line of questioning is becoming absurd.

I'm beginning to get the feeling you want me to kneel in front of a picture of Darwin and swear my allegiance to the theory.

Why must I continue to explain myself about evolution?

I'm not joking - it's in the archives. do a search.
I've spoken about this a couple of times already.
It's been a while now, but I have.

Do I have to explain once a year now or what??
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Re: Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

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You also misunderstand the reference to probability.
:lol: :lol:
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ant wrote: This line of questioning is becoming absurd.

I'm beginning to get the feeling you want me to kneel in front of a picture of Darwin and swear my allegiance to the theory.

Why must I continue to explain myself about evolution?

I'm not joking - it's in the archives. do a search.
I've spoken about this a couple of times already.
It's been a while now, but I have.

Do I have to explain once a year now or what??
:furious:
Someone else help me out. Does anyone know ant's position on evolution? Just trying to make some progress in these discussions, then we could get to the core of any disagreements.
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Re: Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

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Dexter wrote:
ant wrote: This line of questioning is becoming absurd.

I'm beginning to get the feeling you want me to kneel in front of a picture of Darwin and swear my allegiance to the theory.

Why must I continue to explain myself about evolution?

I'm not joking - it's in the archives. do a search.
I've spoken about this a couple of times already.
It's been a while now, but I have.

Do I have to explain once a year now or what??
:furious:
Someone else help me out. Does anyone know ant's position on evolution? Just trying to make some progress in these discussions, then we could get to the core of any disagreements.
unbelievable.


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Re: Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

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Interbane wrote: There are plenty of specific examples of new information being created by the process of evolution. Sea squirt hearts to monkey TRIM5 proteins, yeasts and abalone and maize and ciclids. It isn't just limited to polyploidy. Not only do we know how various increases in information happen, we have evidence of it happening.
Hi Interbane,
I accept there is more to it than mutations and that new information can arise in a number of ways. Maybe over vast periods of time these can create very different classes of creatures by evolution.Whether sufficient information can be generated to break through from a canine to something really different, I'm not convinced,at least from what can be seen in artificial breeding.Obviously long periods of time are not available to demonstrate this but the best shots at it such as bacteria show little sign of turning into something other than bacteria.
I think many creationists wrongly assert that new information cannot be generated. Some don't but have other explanations.
Whether these are viable I'm not sure, though many would just dismiss them in advance based on source. Here's one example on mutations and new information.
I think it's important to recognise in response to the thread question that many arguments are put up against the theory from a scientific base. Maybe they are valid or maybe not but it plays a major role in cultural beliefs.
Just putting it in quarantine in a box marked creationist and I.D. lunacy won't solve the problem, from a pro evolution perspective,I don't think.
The information you referenced at least addresses the issues. So here's how the debate goes on new information.
http://www.creation.com/mutations-new-information Of course the biblical allusions are just irritating to many, but there is an engagement with science going on even if you might not think so.
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Dexter wrote:Someone else help me out. Does anyone know ant's position on evolution? Just trying to make some progress in these discussions, then we could get to the core of any disagreements.
Based on Ant's comments over the last couple of years, I would say he has a difficult time accepting evolution, but that he does begrudgingly accept it. He slips up from time to time, showing us the side that has a hard time with it. For example, when he mocked the idea that we evolved from fish. He's also obviously very sympathetic to the Creationist position, and it's odd that he doesn't just answer a direct question with a direct answer. So maybe he's more skeptical about evolution than he wants to let on?

I think evolution is challenging for some people (as stated in the first post of this thread) and I absolutely don't mean that as an insult. We all have blind spots. I personally feel conflicted about global climate change and recognize that I may not be very good at accurately evaluating the data.
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To fair to ant, I think the video he posted earlier on evolution was very clear. I certainly didn't conclude it was creationist!
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Ant, you really don't state your position on evolution very clearly. You're always telling us to refer back to where you "clearly explained" your position. Well, if we thought it was clear we wouldn't be asking you for clarification.

It is hard to take you seriously when it appears you're evading answering questions honestly. Why not just clear things up and state your position? And not in a single sentence post using wit, sarcasm and humorous emoticons. Shoot straight with us. Please.
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