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What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
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After May 21st he will admit he made an error and is not sure where he went wrong with his math. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
After May 21st he will admit an error but suddenly see his error and change the date so the waiting game can continue. 37%  37%  [ 7 ]
After May 21st he will claim it HAS happened in a peculiar way that only him and select people can perceive. 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
Before May 21, 2011 he will bump the date back after "discovering" a small error is his math. 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
Harold is over 90 years old and probably won't live till May 21, 2011. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
After May 21st Harold will take his own life in embarrassment or in an effort to create his own Rapture. 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
After May 21st he will keep his mouth shut in embarrassment and give no explanations or excuses. 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
Other - explain your prediction. 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
It just goes to show that the bible does not provide any valid evidence for either the beginning nor end of the world. With enough time most people will probably start catching on to that in future "generations" ahead...


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Proof The Rapture really did happen!

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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
Ha, ha, ha, all the way to the bank. This report is from back in May.

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Doomsday church: Still open for business

http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/19/news/ec ... /index.htm
By Annalyn Censky @CNNMoney May 19, 2011: 3:23 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- By now, you've probably heard of the religious group that's predicting the end of the world starts this weekend.
Harold Camping and his devoted followers claim a massive earthquake will mark the second coming of Jesus, or so-called Judgment Day on Saturday, May 21, ushering in a five month period of catastrophes before the world comes to a complete end in October.

At the center of it all, Camping's organization, Family Radio, is perfectly happy to take your money -- and in fact, received $80 million in contributions between 2005 and 2009. Camping founded Family Radio, a nonprofit Christian radio network based in Oakland, Calif. with about 65 stations across the country, in 1958.
But not even all of his own employees are convinced that the world is ending on Saturday.
In fact, many still plan on showing up at work on Monday.
"I don't believe in any of this stuff that's going on, and I plan on being here next week," a receptionist at their Oakland headquarters told CNNMoney.
A program producer in Illinois told us, "We're going to continue doing what we're doing."
According to their most recent IRS filings, Family Radio is almost entirely funded by donations, and brought in $18 million in contributions in 2009 alone.

Take a look at Family Radio's IRS filings


According to those financial documents, accountants put the total worth of Family Radio (referred to as Family Stations on its official forms) at $72 million.
With those kind of financials -- and controversial beliefs -- it's no wonder skeptics have accused the group of running a scam.
Camping first inaccurately predicted the world would end in 1994. Even so, he has gathered even more followers -- some who have given up their homes, entire life savings and their jobs because they believe the world is ending.
Esther, the receptionist in the Oakland office, said some of her most extreme coworkers have recently driven up in fancy cars or taken their families on nice vacations as a last hurrah.
But overall, she estimates about 80% of her coworkers don't even agree with Camping's May 21 forecast. She has stuck to her work as usual, booking appointments and filling up calendars for her coworkers well beyond the May 21 date.
Meanwhile, some employees are questioning the meaning of Harold Camping's goodbye letter sent to the Family Radio mailing list last week. While he says farewell, he encourages employees to "steadfastly continue to stand with us to proclaim the Gospel through Family Radio."
Could that mean he plans on disappearing, but the company should still go about its business as usual?

Read Harold Camping's goodbye letter

The producer in Illinois said, "We're trying to guess what it means for the company. Our producers have programs done through the end of the month, so we're not looking at that having any effect on the work."

Also curious is why Family Radio requested an extension to file their nonprofit paperwork. The group is required to submit financial documents in many of the states where they solicit donations, and in Minnesota they requested an extension from their July 15 deadline to November 15.
July 15th was already well past their Judgment Day prediction -- when they say believers will ascend to heaven -- so why bother requesting an extension to November?
But Family Radio's financial filings otherwise look hardly unusual for a religious nonprofit.
"At first glance, it looks like they have a lot of assets, but they actually don't have a lot of cash that they're stockpiling," said Laurie Styron, analyst with the American Institute of Philanthropy.
Most of the group's net worth is tied up in FCC broadcasting licenses, valued at $56 million. Family Radio claimed it held only $1.5 million in cash on its books at the end of 2009.
The paperwork shows Camping has so far, never taken a penny for his own salary, but Family Radio has plenty of other paid employees.

The nonprofit employed about 350 people and paid them a collective $8.3 million -- or roughly $23,000 per person -- in 2009.
What the 2009 IRS filings don't show, is how the organization's donations and expenses may have changed during 2010 and leading up to the May 21 Judgment Day prediction.
In the last few months, Family Radio billboards have popped up across the country. And the group purchased RVs to drive around the country on its evangelizing missions.
Those expenses could have changed their financial picture, but since Family Radio doesn't have to turn in their next IRS filing until November, it may not even matter.
"If people donating to this group think the world is ending on Saturday, then I'm not sure that they care," Styron said.
First Published: May 19, 2011: 10:57 AM ET


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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
Is there anything new happening with Harold or his organization? I'm interested in news dated after October 21st.

And more than anything I'd like to see YouTube videos of some of the believers that were recorded in the months leading up to May 21, 2011. There were quite a few people that gave up all they owned to follow Harold into the wild blue yonder and now those people are somewhere thinking something. I'd like to hear what they have to say today.


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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
I'm also interested in that information. As to what what Camping himself is doing, here's a transcript of a radio statement he made on 10/28/11, a week after the big non-event.
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Why didn't Christ return on Oct. 21? It seems embarrassing for Family Radio. But God was in charge of everything. We came to that conclusion after quite careful study of the Bible. He allowed everything to happen the way it did without correction. He could have stopped everything if He had wanted to.

...Sometimes He gives us the truth and sometimes He gives us something that causes us to wait further upon Him.

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http://www.christianpost.com/news/famil ... ngs-59819/

The title of that article is "Family Radio Founder Harold Camping Repents, Apologizes for False Teachings." Other news outlets picked up this statement as an apology. But as Camping's statement is analyzed in the article below, Daniel Silliman doesn't detect anything like an apology or repentance.
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Harold Camping did not repent. He is not sorry. He did not apologize, or say, even, that he was wrong.

...This isn’t just not an apology, it’s a statement that, in a very real way, it’s not even possible for Camping to have been wrong. He is, in a sense, hermetically sealed against error, since even when he was wrong, that too was from God. God gives truth, which Camping relays, and God gives lies, which Camping also relays. But they aren’t lies, exactly, but a method of teaching God uses.

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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
As to videos of Camping's followers, here are some of Robert Fitzpatrick, author of "The Doomsday Code" which predicted a May 21st Judgement Day. He seems genuinely confused by the non-situation on Times Square 5/21/11. Can't find anything after 10/21/11 :roll: again perhaps someone with more skillz can...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzB0ZYi7 ... re=related

Here is some amateur video of him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6hr8RdC ... ure=fvwrel

The above is actually Part 2, Part 1 below starts with people asking him tough questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsN50hB8 ... ure=fvwrel



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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
Bill Allan, AKA witnessofthetruth, appears to be a prominent advocate for Camping's crap on Youtube, with many videos posted. I can't find any posted after 10/21/11 - I saw a note claiming he deleted many videos, but perhaps someone with more skillz can dig this up.

Here's his Facebook page, where the only statement made after 10/21/11 is the following. I sent him a message asking if he is going to comment on 10/21/11. You might do so as well, I'd like to hear what some of these folks are thinking now...
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The hand picked born again Elect, whoever they are, are eternally secure, no matter where they are today, or when in history they lived. The non-elect, have no cover for their sin debt, and never will. God's Word is Absolute Truth, even if we don't understand it!!

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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
Bill Allan (witnessofthetruth) responded to my request to comment on 10/21/11, but he merely repeats in more detail:
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Romans 10:17 declares Christ cometh by HEARING the Word of God. All any of us could ever do was to hear the Word of God. God handles the rest. Either to redeem us or condemn us, based on His Soverign Election process before the world began (Eph 1:4-5; II Tim 1:9: etc). No matter what happens on any given day, the hand picked born again Elect, scattered across human history from every nation, are eternally secure in the Kingdom of God. The non-elect, are condemed to everlasting destruction without remedy.

So I responded as follows, maybe that will get a rise out of him... :x
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Unfortunately, due to your poor understanding of Scripture, ridiculous predictions about 5/21/11 and 10/21/11, and unwillingness to confront those failures (and many others), you are part of the Non-Elect. Enjoy eternity.


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That's funny. How absolutely deluded this guys is. I bet he couldn't even see that logical conclusion coming.


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News from Herald Camping: http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php? ... %3E&ps=931

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SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. (AP) — A Northern California preacher who spent millions last year to publicize his message of impending global destruction has for the first time acknowledged his apocalyptic prophecy was wrong.

In a letter posted on his independent ministry's site on Thursday, 90-year-old Harold Camping told his followers he has no evidence the world will end anytime soon, and he isn't interested in considering future dates.

"We realize that many people are hoping they will know the date of Christ's return," Camping wrote. "We humbly acknowledge we were wrong about the timing."

Camping's Family Radio International continues its broadcasts from the nonprofit's headquarters in a squat building near the Oakland airport. In recent years, the organization spent millions of dollars — some of it from donations made by followers — putting up thousands of billboards plastered with the Judgment Day message.

After global cataclysm didn't occur on May 21 as he had originally forecast, Camping revised his prophecy, saying he had been off by five months.

Followers were crestfallen in May when the Rapture did not occur, particularly those who had quit their jobs or donated some of their retirement savings or college funds for the more than 5,000 billboards and 20 RVs plastered with the Judgment Day message.

Camping was later hospitalized after suffering a mild stroke, but continued spreading the word that natural disasters would destroy the globe through his website and his weekly "Open Forum" radio show.

Thursday, Camping alerted his flock that he had stopped looking for new dates, and would concentrate on deepening his faith through rereading the Scriptures.

"God has humbled us through the events of May 21," he wrote. "We must also openly acknowledge that we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world. Though many dates are circulating, Family Radio has no interest in even considering another date."


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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
It is a little sad to see this old man facing the reality that Jesus isn't coming any time soon. This was serious stuff to him and I don't doubt that he believed his own math and predictions with his whole being. I never like to see dreams get crushed.

It is even sadder to know that the problem here isn't with his understanding or interpretation of the Bible. The problem is the Bible is fiction written by numerous people decades after Jesus died...assuming Jesus even existed. The problem is God is a myth and Jesus returning is a part of that myth.



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Post Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
I think you're right. Camping was probably convinced of his math and logic and this wasn't some elaborate money making scheme. What's embarrassing is to go back to former youtube videos and taped family radio programs and have to watch yourself strike out at non-believers in this rapture with a vengeance. And then have to reflect on the fact that all of the vengeance and zeal was all for naught...


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Thursday, Camping alerted his flock that he had stopped looking for new dates, and would concentrate on deepening his faith through rereading the Scriptures.

"God has humbled us through the events of May 21," he wrote. "We must also openly acknowledge that we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world. Though many dates are circulating, Family Radio has no interest in even considering another date."


... and then, by chance, did he give everybody back the tens of millions of dollars he squandered on this bull pucky?

I have no sympathy for this man. He has ruined lives.


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Agreed, 100%. Without a doubt, one of the most useless predators on the planet. Whether he was actually sincere or delusional doesn't help much. After numerous episodes of chasing windmills he is forced to resign in madness to his hut, as his fabled Dulcinea has turned her mirror away from him....trouble is, his story lacked humor.

Don't even get me started on the other charlatans in his class...such as Pat Robertson...



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If anyone can find contact information or online info for any of the followers that lost a bunch of money please post it. I'd love to interview them.



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