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I've not read this whole thread so I missed any discussion about Suzanne's Aunt's critical thinking books. Can someone provide a link? I might order one.



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TH: "I know more about critical thinking than the lot of you put together because I have at least look up and read a few webpages on critical thinking."

That is a very clear example of the opposite of intellectual humility. Now that you know something about critical thinking, perhaps you should exercise it?

Personally, I've never been to college and have never had any read education beyond high school. Well, the Air Force taught me to troubleshoot the electronics in nuclear ICBM's, but that wasn't a scholarly pursuit. Much of the discipline I've maintained in my thinking is done in the hopes of thinking more clearly and with less bias.

Much of what I've learned of critical thinking reminds me of how lie detection courses are taught. There are signs to look for and modes of perception that can be taught. However, there are some people who simply have natural talent in that regard. Incredible natural talent, actually. Structured courses on critical thinking wouldn't help these(naturals) people nearly as much as others who are prone to have a strong sense of conviction or take things on faith. A strong sense of conviction and faith are of course the opposite of thinking critically. This is why, every time I read your posts, I laugh inwardly that you're angry with people who think.

Chris and Frank have had instruction on critical thinking, so they are able to perform this miraculous feat. I'm unable to think critically, however, since I haven't been to college. :weep:


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Your irrational obsession with demonizing critical thinking has had me baffled for a while Thomas. Now I'm beginning to wonder, do you have any belief skeletons in your closet? Do you believe in cavemen that rode around on dinosaurs in saddles? Do you believe the stars and the consequent light they emit were created with the light halfway to Earth? Why are you so opposed to people using their brains?


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He has talked quite a bit about hexagrams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram

http://www.skepdic.com/iching.html



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We are all stinkers in the sight of God, but why haven't you read any of your aunt's books on critical thinking, her speciality? I hope Eileen sees this and asks you about it. How embarrassed you must now be! Probably she has given you copies of her books, and you put them in the attic. So when family comes home, send somebody up there to get them. And then I hope you do read her books and tell me about them.


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I've not read this whole thread so I missed any discussion about Suzanne's Aunt's critical thinking books. Can someone provide a link? I might order one.


http://socialwelfare.berkeley.edu/faculty/gambrill.htm

http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1247089106/ ... ill&page=1


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We are all stinkers in the sight of God, but why haven't you read any of your aunt's books on critical thinking, her speciality? I hope Eileen sees this and asks you about it. How embarrassed you must now be! Probably she has given you copies of her books, and you put them in the attic. So when family comes home, send somebody up there to get them. And then I hope you do read her books and tell me about them.


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


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The Yi Jing (I Ching) is the Confucian Classic of Changes, a main pillar of Eastern culture. The basic text in Sakis Totlis's interpretation is here:

http://www.sakistotlis.gr/english/c.%20 ... a%20text(s)%20i%20ching.htm

I differ from Sakis on many points, but his text is a good place to begin.

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Your aunt is quite a prolific author. She focuses her critical thinking writing and career on critical thinking in social work so I'm probably not going to order any of her books, but I will say that she is contributing greatly to this world. Looks like she has written extensively on the foster care system. I spent the majority of my childhood as a ward of the state of Ohio and I can tell you the system needs help.



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Yea, right. But what is the value in a hexagram? Use your own words.



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Up until this point I have been genuinely interested in knowing what the heck hexagrams are for, but I seem to have found a site that explains things.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/meaning-of-taoism6.htm

Hexagrams are for people that lack critical thinking skills and an ability to understand the relationship between cause and effect.

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The ruler Wen Wang, of the Hsi-Chou Dynasty, developed Pa-Kua until it became the sophisticated analytical tool we know today.


Analytical tool? LOL Please.

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the rationale for using six lines for a successful divination


Divination? Now I get it. This is about seeing the future. Complete and utter nonsense.

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To cast a hexagram, toss three coins and add the values. Draw the first line according to the chart on the next page and place it at the bottom of the stack. Throw the coins five more times, making six lines in all. This is a hexagram.


Right. Tossing coins and counting their values is clearly a meaningful endeavor. Now I see why you avoided answering me in the chat room many weeks ago. You're embarrassed by your belief in hexagrams. I would be too.



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Suzanne, thanks for the links. This looks like quite an interesting book. My wife is working towards her masters in clinical psychology and this looks like it could be very useful.


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Casting hexagrams is more enlightening than thinking, right? :neutral:

In defense of Confucianism, many of the Chinese who ascribed to the philosophy during that time did not believe in the divination aspects of the l Ching.

It's interesting as an intellectual hobby, but any modern day philosopher knows the folly of trying to embrace the entire universe in one static philosophy.


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Out of curiosity, Thomas, what are your thoughts on evolution? I'm just curious and you don't have to respond if you don't want to.


The scientific account is basically correct, although pictorial representation of human evolution is fanciful. There is no conflict between First Genesis and evolution because First Genesis is astrological in substance and reverential in tone.

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Yea, right. But what is the value in a hexagram? Use your own words.


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Confucius said: If some years were added to my life, I would give fifty to the study of the Yi, and might then escape falling into great errors. -- Analects


The study of the hexagrams aids the cultivation of an awareness of xuan. At BookTalk I have mentioned xuan here:

Poetry ABCs
http://www.booktalk.org/poetry-abcs-t6239-165.html

Xuan (玄) may be described as "poetic perception," although it is usually translated as subtle, dark, mysterious, obscure, ethereal. For example, from Thoreau's Journal entry for today in 1854:

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July 8 (1854) Saturday . P. M. -To Assabet Bathingplace.
. . . .
8 P. M.- Full moon ; by boat to Hubbard's Bend.
There is wind, making it cooler and keeping off
fog, delicious on water. The moon reflected from the
rippled surface like a stream of dollars. I hear a few
toads still. See a bat ; how long? The bullfrogs trump
from time to time. . . .


Consider: "The moon reflected from the rippled surface like a stream of dollars." The dollars are silver dollars. At this time, Thoreau is passionate with issues of abolition, especially the effort to buy the freedom of the recently re-enslaved Anthony Burns. His visual image is xuan, subtly indicative of his inner nature. Inner nature is universally disclosed as xuan, and study of it does give foreknowledge as Confucius said, because character is fate.

I must add that not everyone should study the hexagrams. Unstable persons with poor contact with reality may find the search for meaning disorienting. Early Jesuits who struggled with the Yi became apostate or insane.

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