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Chris OConnor  Rhodes Scholar BookTalk.org Owner

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Chris OConnor  Rhodes Scholar BookTalk.org Owner

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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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| I'd like to see a female President too. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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| Jimmy Carter _________________________________________________________
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Chris OConnor  Rhodes Scholar BookTalk.org Owner

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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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| Jimmy Carter already made a bad President. Why would he make a good one a second time around? |
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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| He's your best President in the last four decades, but the US is the only nation not to realise that. _________________________________________________________
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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| Maybe we define "best" differently. |
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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Chris:
Why was Jimmy Carter a bad President? I just want your views.
He is a great person, you have to admit that...(see, even I can like a Theist!).
The one thing that killed him is his tendency to micro manage the execution of policy from what I have learned.
From the White House bio:
Quote: Carter worked hard to combat the continuing economic woes of inflation and unemployment. By the end of his administration, he could claim an increase of nearly eight million jobs and a decrease in the budget deficit, measured in percentage of the gross national product. Unfortunately, inflation and interest rates were at near record highs, and efforts to reduce them caused a short recession.
Carter could point to a number of achievements in domestic affairs. He dealt with the energy shortage by establishing a national energy policy and by decontrolling domestic petroleum prices to stimulate production. He prompted Government efficiency through civil service reform and proceeded with deregulation of the trucking and airline industries. He sought to improve the environment. His expansion of the national park system included protection of 103 million acres of Alaskan lands. To increase human and social services, he created the Department of Education, bolstered the Social Security system, and appointed record numbers of women, blacks, and Hispanics to Government jobs.
In foreign affairs, Carter set his own style. His championing of human rights was coldly received by the Soviet Union and some other nations. In the Middle East, through the Camp David agreement of 1978, he helped bring amity between Egypt and Israel. He succeeded in obtaining ratification of the Panama Canal treaties. Building upon the work of predecessors, he established full diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China and completed negotiation of the SALT II nuclear limitation treaty with the Soviet Union.
There were serious setbacks, however. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan caused the suspension of plans for ratification of the SALT II pact. The seizure as hostages of the U. S. embassy staff in Iran dominated the news during the last 14 months of the administration. The consequences of Iran's holding Americans captive, together with continuing inflation at home, contributed to Carter's defeat in 1980. Even then, he continued the difficult negotiations over the hostages. Iran finally released the 52 Americans the same day Carter left office.
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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| Just having read Sarah Vowell's essay "The Nerd Voice", I'm halfway to being convinced that Al Gore actually would have made a pretty good president. Here's a guy who actually takes an active interest in the issues and is careful to inform himself before he takes a position -- or so it would seem, at least. |
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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| Carter allowed a bunch of thugs to seize our embassy and hundreds of our citizens. He also defied his nations laws with regard to Cuba, after leaving office. Carter was spineless, but this seems to be attractive to those on the far left. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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Here is a quick synopsis I found. I am not saying this is THE authoritative dissertation on the matter, but it is something that may help show that Carter did not just sit around and do nothing.
Mr. P.
Quote: Iran hostage crisis
Iran hostage crisis, in U.S. history, events following the seizure of the American embassy in Tehran by Iranian students on Nov. 4, 1979. The overthrow of Muhammad Reza Shah Pahlevi of Iran by an Islamic revolutionary government earlier in the year had led to a steady deterioration in Iran-U.S. relations. In response to the exiled shah's admission (Sept., 1979) to the United States for medical treatment, a crowd of about 500 seized the embassy. Of the approximately 90 people inside the embassy, 52 remained in captivity until the end of the crisis.
President Carter applied economic pressure by halting oil imports from Iran and freezing Iranian assets in the United States. At the same time, he began several diplomatic initiatives to free the hostages, all of which proved fruitless. On Apr. 24, 1980, the United States attempted a rescue mission that failed. After three of eight helicopters were damaged in a sandstorm, the operation was aborted; eight persons were killed during the evacuation. Secretary of State Cyrus Vance, who had opposed the action, resigned after the mission's failure.
In 1980, the death of the shah in Egypt and the invasion of Iran by Iraq (see Iran-Iraq War) made the Iranians more receptive to resolving the hostage crisis. In the United States, failure to resolve the crisis contributed to Ronald Reagan's defeat of Carter in the presidential election. After the election, with the assistance of Algerian intermediaries, successful negotiations began. On Jan. 20, 1981, the day of President Reagan's inauguration, the United States released almost $8 billion in Iranian assets and the hostages were freed after 444 days in Iranian detention; the agreement gave Iran immunity from lawsuits arising from the incident.
In 2000 former hostages and their survivors sued Iran under the 1996 Antiterrorism Act, which permits U.S. citizens to sue foreign governments in cases of state-sponsored terrorism. The following year they won the lawsuit by default when Iran did not offer a defense. The U.S. State Dept. sought dismissal of the suit, arguing it would hinder its ability to negotiate international agreements, and a federal judge dismissed the plaintiffs' suit for damages in 2002, ruling that the agreement that resulted in their release barred awarding any damages.
See G. Sick, All Fall Down (1985).
The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright © 2006, Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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Quote: Carter allowed a bunch of thugs to seize our embassy and hundreds of our citizens AND DID NOTHING ABOUT IT FOR ABOUT 400 DAYS.
See, this is what I find a little bit crazy. People get pissed off because Carter didn't repond by nuking Iran. They never criticise the presidents whose actions caused the crisis in the first place by supporting tinpot dictators and the like.
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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Niall, nobody ever suggested that we should have nuked Iran. But there were other means of dealing with the situation and Carter simply failed to handle it effectively. Over 400 days and we didn't attack.
Many liberals applauded this approach, but some of us found it utterly humiliating and think it made the US look passive and weak. We had the means to force the release of those hostages and we instead sat there and tried to reason with unreasonable people. There are people today that believe that the Iranian hostage crisis set the stage for 9/11. I'm not ready to go that far, but there is logic in this opinion. Did Iraq actually fear the US would come to the aid of Kuwait when they invaded? Of course not. We didn't even have the balls to defend our own citizens in the 1970's, so why should Iraq have been be afraid the US would come to the rescue with Kuwait? Fortunately, Carter was long out of office.
So I'm not advocating nuking anyone, but I damn sure don't think we're doing ourselves any long-term service by pacifism. What do you think would happen if Iran took 60 Americans hostage under Bush’s watch? You can bash Bush, but the guy has character and principles and will do what it takes to defend not only our borders, but our way of life and longevity. I've never really been a big Bush fan, but I created this thread hoping to hear some examples of quality Democrats that could handle the duties and responsibilities of Commander & Chief of the US armed forces. Carter failed miserably. Admitting Carter failed doesn't mean you support Republican ideals and principles - all it means is that you acknowledge that one man, Jimmy Carter, was not suited for such a challenging position. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: What Democrat would make a good US President?
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Quote: Chris: What Democrat would make a good US President?
Does this smell like a far right wing partisan setting a trap?
Quote: ADO: Jimmy Carter
Did someone just take the bait?
Quote: Chris: Carter allowed a bunch of thugs ... blah blah blah ... Carter was spineless, but this seems to be attractive to those on the far left.
Viewing the world through Rush Limbaugh glasses are we?
Quote: Chris: Reagan was an awesome President.
As thick as the bottom of a coke bottle.
Quote: Chris: Many liberals ... blah blah blah.... What do you think would happen if Iran took 60 Americans hostage under Bush’s watch?
He'd probably invade Iraq.
What would be his options at this point? Bombing? Invading? Finishing off My Pet Goat?
Maybe it's your turn to define what you think protecting American lives means to you.
Since we're already (discussing?) Bush and Carter, how many Americans were killed on Carter's watch? Due to terrorism or any military blunder.
How many Americans have been killed on George W. Bush's watch? Due to terrorism or any military blunder. |
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