Were Ancient Gods From Other Planets?

bleachededen · Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:28 pm

And I thought The Gods Themselves was confusing...

MDuszak, you make no sense. You say you agree with Interbane "100%", and then you go on to describe the exact opposite of what he was saying. He was actually asking you what you meant by phenomena, and what other "dimensions" you speak of, and whether or not you've factored in the nonphysical forces we already know about. You contradict yourself within a single sentence.

And sounds of dishes breaking are caused by "forces beyond this dimension?" Couldn't they be from someone breaking dishes? Or someone in a half sleep state dreaming that they heard dishes breaking without realizing they weren't fully awake? Or maybe they're having auditory hallucinations, which happens from time to time, not only among psychiatric patients, but also to "normal" people? No, of course not. If I hear dishes breaking, it doesn't mean my boyfriend is breaking dishes, it means aliens are in my kitchen searching for a perfect dinette set. Now you're not only not making sense, you're being silly.

Maybe you should read The Gods Themselves. You'll probably think it's based on a true story and not just pure, unadulterated science fiction.

But whatever floats your boat, man. Believe what you want. But don't then claim to agree with someone whose viewpoint is in exact opposition with yours, only to revert back to your fringe beliefs in the next sentence, forcing the person you agreed with to have to explain themselves again. I believe I'm seeing the definition of "insanity" here...but I won't be mean.

Please, continue.

Interbane · Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:13 pm


	Quote: Can you deny there are other dimensions and frequencies? You know there are..(radiation, supersonics, etcetcetc..)

Ug!!! What's this?!? Frequencies are infinitely broad across the electromagnetic spectrum. They are all known mathematically, but interactions with specific materials is still open to discovery. But that is in applied sciences, not pure science. Supersonics is not a dimension nor a frequency. It's also relative to many factors that are specific to Earth. For example, how fast does sound travel through a vacuum? It doesn't, depending on the receiver. You're neck deep in pseudoscience and it's sickening. Subscribe to Scientific American or Popular Science or Discovery magazines.

MDuszak · Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:49 pm

Hahaha..look deeper, Bleachededen. I agree with Interbane 100% when he goes to state NOT EVERYTHING IS KNOWN about the physical dimension, there are forces, universes, phenomena still awaiting to be discovered so by any means we should keep our minds open for further and deeper research, science is NOT 100% complete with understanding of the world and life, and in many instances, probably even wrong.

I used the agreement with Interbane tactics here to then challenge him to admit that just as there ARE physical phenomena still to be discovered, there are also those to be tapped into on dimensions beyond this DENSE physical one. Which leads me to another, very subtly suggested (no wonder you didn't pick up on it

) reason why I agreed with him 100%. In my belief, ALL universe IS PHYSICAL, this dimensions or others, with this one being only more solidified type of the physical whereas the other dimensions' frequencies are higher..their density is lesser. Therefore-YES-nothing really is otherworldly' as ALL IS ONE WORLD and ONE UNIVERSE, one energy and all connected, so no phenomena, however strange, can there be really defined as "otherwordly", only undiscovered, this or other dimensions/planets combined. In that understanding, then, yes-Interbane is 100% right!

Yes, sound of the breaking dishes for sure could have many interpretations. I would need to be there myself and have the experience, or investigate the subjects, to go to any conclusions, or possible conclusions. I also had the unusual experiences happening to me at night, and my first thought was never "aliens must be in my house" as much as you think people like me would certainly do haha, I actually looked for explanations within the subconscious realm of my own mind as one of the first places to look for the explanation. As John described, however, the sound was heard by both people at the same time, it could not be a dream that belonged to both of them. It could not be someone actually BREAKING the dishes, as you suggested, cause when studying the kitchen, no dishes were found to be broken. This, and MANY OTHER strange phenomena MIGHT then point to something from beyond our known and studied dimension.

Question in general-why are you, some of you, so afraid to open yourself at least a LITTLE bit to the possibility of something more beyond our rationale? Where is your adventurous spirit and a sense of wonder?

Aren't u curious and in awe what might be found round the familiar and comfortable old hill? Forget the cold sceptic you for a while sometimes, and allow yourself to feel the mystery of the unknown!! Try to open your heart to the wind of the adventure and risk of the unfamiliar! Do you allow magic of life simply ever enter and touch you within?

MDuszak · Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:57 pm

Interbane wrote:


	Quote: Subscribe to Scientific American or Popular Science or Discovery magazines.

hahaha..I admit I dont know much about the modern science as much as you probably do but that's because I study what is BEYOND science at this point to understand. I could as well say YOUR knowledge of metaphysics and esoteric science is sickening to me as well, but it simply isn't as I simply don't care much whether you are into science, voodoo worship, or knitting haha. Whatever makes everyone happy. Why do you allow yourself to be sickened by anything, Interbane? Want some mint tea to sooth your pain? I am good at making teas and relaxing treatments. Relax and breathe.

I studied enough science in my school years and I find the study of occult and mystic sciences to be much more fulfilling. But keep going, standard scientists, the world need you as well.

Everything has its place and purpose.

johnson1010 · Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:54 pm


	Quote: I used the agreement with Interbane tactics here to then challenge him to admit that just as there ARE physical phenomena still to be discovered, there are also those to be tapped into on dimensions beyond this DENSE physical one. Which leads me to another, very subtly suggested (no wonder you didn't pick up on it ) reason why I agreed with him 100%. In my belief, ALL universe IS PHYSICAL, this dimensions or others, with this one being only more solidified type of the physical whereas the other dimensions' frequencies are higher..their density is lesser.

Here's the problem.

Where are you getting all this stuff about density and frequencies? Where did you study these alternate dimensions, and how do you suppose you know anything about them? You don't know anything about what exists outside of our universe, or dimension (if anything at all does) because you have no way to study them. Sitting down with a good fiction book and reading about extra-terrestrials, or 5th dimensional imps does not count as "study".

bleachededen · Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:14 pm


	MDuszak wrote: Hahaha..look deeper, Bleachededen. I agree with Interbane 100% when he goes to state NOT EVERYTHING IS KNOWN about the physical dimension, there are forces, universes, phenomena still awaiting to be discovered so by any means we should keep our minds open for further and deeper research, science is NOT 100% complete with understanding of the world and life, and in many instances, probably even wrong. I used the agreement with Interbane tactics here to then challenge him to admit that just as there ARE physical phenomena still to be discovered, there are also those to be tapped into on dimensions beyond this DENSE physical one. Which leads me to another, very subtly suggested (no wonder you didn't pick up on it ) reason why I agreed with him 100%. In my belief, ALL universe IS PHYSICAL, this dimensions or others, with this one being only more solidified type of the physical whereas the other dimensions' frequencies are higher..their density is lesser. Therefore-YES-nothing really is otherworldly' as ALL IS ONE WORLD and ONE UNIVERSE, one energy and all connected, so no phenomena, however strange, can there be really defined as "otherwordly", only undiscovered, this or other dimensions/planets combined. In that understanding, then, yes-Interbane is 100% right! Yes, sound of the breaking dishes for sure could have many interpretations. I would need to be there myself and have the experience, or investigate the subjects, to go to any conclusions, or possible conclusions. I also had the unusual experiences happening to me at night, and my first thought was never "aliens must be in my house" as much as you think people like me would certainly do haha, I actually looked for explanations within the subconscious realm of my own mind as one of the first places to look for the explanation. As John described, however, the sound was heard by both people at the same time, it could not be a dream that belonged to both of them. It could not be someone actually BREAKING the dishes, as you suggested, cause when studying the kitchen, no dishes were found to be broken. This, and MANY OTHER strange phenomena MIGHT then point to something from beyond our known and studied dimension. Question in general-why are you, some of you, so afraid to open yourself at least a LITTLE bit to the possibility of something more beyond our rationale? Where is your adventurous spirit and a sense of wonder? Aren't u curious and in awe what might be found round the familiar and comfortable old hill? Forget the cold sceptic you for a while sometimes, and allow yourself to feel the mystery of the unknown!! Try to open your heart to the wind of the adventure and risk of the unfamiliar! Do you allow magic of life simply ever enter and touch you within?

I don't even know how you are able to type all this stuff. Everything you say is almost complete gibberish and makes no sense whatsoever. Lewis Carroll's nonsense poems make more sense than you do. No personal offense meant, dear, but this is all pure garbage you're spouting. I can't believe people are still trying to talk sensibly to you. I don't even know where to begin pulling this taffy apart to try to reason with you, so I won't. It's just mind-boggling how ridiculous this all is.

MDuszak · Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:29 pm

I get all this "stuff" studying esoteric fields, theosophy, occult sciences, metaphysics, ancient as well modern texts, quantum physics, as well as science. Not to mention inner modes of knowing attained during deep states of meditation. And where do you get yours from?

To Ms. Bleach, hahaha..again, just leave the thread for some air..otherwise you will explode it gets so tight in your box.

johnson1010 · Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:34 pm

inner modes of knowing attained during deep states of meditation.

Right. Gotcha.

bleachededen · Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:37 pm


	MDuszak wrote: I get all this "stuff" studying esoteric fields, theosophy, occult sciences, metaphysics, ancient as well modern texts, quantum physics, as well as science. Not to mention inner modes of knowing attained during deep states of meditation. And where do you get yours from? To Ms. Bleach, hahaha..again, just leave the thread for some air..otherwise you will explode it gets so tight in your box.

a) You know nothing about me.
2) Suggesting I leave the thread is rude and against the rules.
d) I am not in a box. I'm just not gullible and ridiculous.

Deep states of meditation do not count as relevant sources of information for scientific inquiry. Neither are any of the other things you've listed. You clearly don't understand quantum physics, and by citing "science" as a general term, you show that you in fact study NO science, because "science" on its own is a catch-all term, and if you really had relevant scientific reading experience, you'd list what area of science you've been reading from.

And what the hell is an "esoteric field?" Is that like a field that grows chickens instead of corn?

Stop pretending you have a background of knowledge to base any of this on and just admit you're imaginative and want to believe in these things. At least that would be honest.

MDuszak · Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:51 pm

bleachededen wrote:


	MDuszak wrote: a) You know nothing about me. 2) Suggesting I leave the thread is rude and against the rules. d) I am not in a box. I'm just not gullible and ridiculous.

Hahahahaha...AHA.

And what is Esoteric studies? Here is a link I found that might shed some light: http://www.esoteric-lebanon.org/defaultEn.aspx

OF COURSE I want to believe in these things. Life is so much more colorful and adventurous when we admit there are so many mysteries to unravel!

And yes, I AM very imaginative thank you! Creativity is one of the divine universe' energies flowing within us and I am thankful for being in touch with it!

Now and forever!

johnson1010 · Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:26 pm

There is this assumption that creativity needs to be connected to fuzzy-headed thinking.

I have been an artist since i can remember, and now i am the author of fiction. One book being finalized now, with two other ideas baking on the back shelf.

And i am stone-cold "prove it to me".

i have read several pages on the link you provided. It reads like the prologue to a sci-fi novel. Through liberal application of the word "science" this page attempts to wedge itself next to biology, chemistry, and physics, but it really belongs next to palm reading, sensing auras, and holistic medicine. pure bunk.

johnson1010 · Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:30 pm


	Quote: In the distant past there were no specialized fields of knowledge; physics, chemistry, psychology, medicine, atomic sciences, astronomy etc... etc… did not exist in their present independent forms. The curriculum of the ancient schools did not allow for studying medicine, for example, without architecture or astronomy aside from the science of health vibrations. They taught the "Science of man" (the Esoteric), a unified science which included the knowledge of all sciences! With time the physical sciences gained momentum, and the metaphysical were pushed into the background. This retarded the development of consciousness, and man lost track of the perfect path. As a result, most of men’s brain cells sank into sleep or stopped functioning, that is, they became unconscious… and the passage ways to deeper consciousness were thus blocked. Consequently, the capacity of the human being to grasp and comprehend the ancient Science of Man (as a whole) was greatly impoverished. To help him out, a new method was introduced. Man was to study one or two different sciences each time he reincarnated. In this way his consciousness would eventually unfold leading him step by step and preparing him to comprehend the (whole) "Science of Man". Only then would all his brain cells unfold… and man would become whole, or one mass of active consciousness — as the Esoteric aspires mankind to be.

There you go.

That is, unambiguously, word-garbage.

MDuszak · Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:51 pm


	johnson1010 wrote: palm reading, sensing auras, and holistic medicine.

Dont know about palm reading but love everything to do with auras and holistic medicine! :indian:

And taken from the passage you provided:

With time the physical sciences gained momentum, and the metaphysical were pushed into the background. This retarded the development of consciousness, and man lost track of the perfect path. As a result, most of men’s brain cells sank into sleep or stopped functioning, that is, they became unconscious… and the passage ways to deeper consciousness were thus blocked.

:clap2:

Interbane · Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:38 pm


	Quote: Why do you allow yourself to be sickened by anything, Interbane? Want some mint tea to sooth your pain? I am good at making teas and relaxing treatments. Relax and breathe.

But MDuszak, it's not just "anything". Pseudo-scientific belief is rotting our education system. It is a real and serious problem. Millions of people go around believing whatever the hell they want, without any regards to what is real. I can bring up many very specific examples of why you're wrong from a couple of these posts, but it's pointless. You truly need to be educated on actual science, and not the pseudo-science you're swallowing. Please, subscribe to those magazines I mentioned and at least read them, even if you're skeptical.

johnson1010 · Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:28 pm

or seek them out at your local dentist/doctor/secretary of state waiting room.

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