etudiant wrote:I don’t think there is a problem with over-taxation in the US.
Something tells me you don't know much about the tax system in the United States. When a person receives a bonus check for $20,000 (for doing an outstanding job at work) and the government takes $8,000 off the top there is a problem. This is what happens in the United States. The government takes 40% of that person's "reward" for hard work. Doesn't this serve as a disincentive to work hard?
Where does the $8,000 that has been taken away get spent? In the United States we currently have a "first-time home buyer tax credit" implemented. This program was implemented by the Democratic Party, the party that believes in redistributing wealth. It expires soon. But literally millions of first-time home buyers have received and will be receiving for FREE an $8,000 tax credit.
A person that busts their ass and earns a $20,000 bonus at work is now taking that $20,000 pile of cash, removing $8,000 of it, and handing it to someone else who has not earned a penny of it. If this seems fair to you then I'm not even sure where to go with the conversation.
Like Robert Tulip said in his quote this "democracy" is slowly turning into a tyranny by the majority. The majority vote into office those politicians that will essentially steal from the earners and redistribute to the non-earners. This is the epitome of evil and the recipe for failure and disaster.
About half of the people in this country don't contribute a penny towards income taxes, yet they have the right to vote and influence what our nation does with the taxes taken from the producers. This is disgusting and wrong and the only people that support it are in that lower 50% - they are benefiting from this "redistribution" of wealth. They care not for what is fair. They want the free money and vote to make it happen.
I want to live in a society where people are charitable because their heart tells them to give. I want to live in a nation that rewards hard work and punishes bad decisions and laziness. There needs to be safety nets to extend a helping hand to those that are down, but we have moved so far left, thanks to Obama and other liberals, that the left, which produces far less than the right, is controlling how much the right has to pay and how the money that is collected is spent.
Taking from the producers and giving to those that produce less is analogous to the following....
Imagine what would happen over an extended period of time if Cheetah's no longer had to hunt for their own food. All they had to do was walk up to a lever and put their paw on it and a slab of meat would mysteriously drop from the sky. They would have instant food, a full tummy, an no real incentive to run after that gazelle fleeing at top speed.
What would happen to the strength, power, endurance, ingenuity and creativeness of the Cheetah? Common sense, and an elementary science education, tells us that evolution is thrifty, and no organism develops or maintains attributes (that take energy to develop or maintain) if not needed to survive.
We prop up the weak and lazy in the United States. Don't chime in here about how I lack sympathy or a heart because I grew up in poverty, foster homes and orphanages. I think I've seen my fair share of pain and suffering. The bottom line is, whether people have the intellectual honesty to admit it, we must reward the best, fastest, strongest, smartest, most creative...or we will lose those people and what they contribute to society.
It is disgusting that the government takes 40% of someone's bonus check leaving a 60% net. Out of that 60% net that same hard worker, who is probably a real estate owner, as opposed to a renter, will now contribute more in the way of property taxes. And then when they are left with a meager 50% of what they earned they will then spend 7% more on
income sales taxes.
How could you possible think we don't have a problem with over taxation in the United States. The only way you could think that is if you aren't aware of what we really pay, or you come from a leftist mentality and you think what we get to keep out of our paychecks is not what we earned, but what the kind and caring US government "gave" to us.
Several months ago I left the Republican Party, but only because of their attempt to infuse religion into every aspect of government and life. Overall, I think the Republicans are the business people, the producers of wealth, the entrepreneurs, and the people that made the United States a great and powerful nation. I'm socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. I've yet to meet a Democrat that seems to understand capitalism and taxation. They advocate liberalism because they will benefit from a redistribution of wealth.
I have not met many Republicans that seem to understand the liberal arts and sciences. Both parties have their strengths and weaknesses. That's why I left and became independent. Both parties say some really ignorant stuff. Democrats will destroy the US eventually by removing the incentive to excel. Republicans will destroy the US eventually by not respecting the sciences.
Then again Obama is doing a fine job, contrary to what we have grown to expect from a liberal, and destroying the US advantage in space exploration.
I'm exhausted by the rampant ignorance of far left and far right people. I think its time to shut up and learn from each other.