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Rugged individualism might be an appropriate expression for all the creatures in the world, with one exception. Humans have, in the last few hundred years, moved from being rugged individuals to our present state in which we have fashioned an alien environment in which we have become chess pieces or ciphers. We have invented the Artificial Kingdom where, as Simone Weil once noted, "it is the thing that thinks and the man who is reduced to the state of the thing".

I think that we, women and men, have become chess pieces. We have become objects to be manipulated by the market and the corporation. We spend our days like the chess piece; we have a quantified value and are placed on the board and used as desired by some one who may be a real person. The real person has still the human characteristics of creativity, spontaneity, improvisation, spontaneously reactive, discontinuous, a mosaic more than syntax or cipher. Just what we find is missing when using the telephone to contact someone out there.

In an effort to understand where we are now it might help to start back in time and move forward. In frontier days each person was very much an individual. Rugged individualism was a popular expression. Each man and woman was a jack-of-all-trades and master of none. Each husband and wife was a team that together could and had to do everything that was needed.

In early America we were an agricultural economy. Most families were farm families we were all rugged individualist. The farmer was very much the jack-of-all-trades and the master of his or her domain.

As we move forward in time we see this team become a man working in a factory or office and the woman was at home raising the children and maintaining the day to day necessities for all family members. She washed, cleaned, shopped, sewed, and was still much of a rugged individual. Slowly the man became a specialized worker in a clockwork factory or office.

Moving forward in history we arrive at the present moment where not only is the man working in the factory or office but the woman joins him there also.

When we examine the factory or office workspace we find a very different occupation for the man and woman than the rugged individualism of emerging history of human evolution. We no longer are masters of our own domain but are ciphers in a clockwork that functions upon modern economic principles.

A pertinent example of this mode of commodification is how we have converted what was political economics into the modern economics. Political economy is the study of social relations. It is the study of culture. Political economy focuses upon the problem of how to regulate industrialization within the context of a healthy society, it worries about the problems of labor within a context of the laborer as an end and not a commodity


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In frontier days each person was very much an individual. Rugged individualism was a popular expression. Each man and woman was a jack-of-all-trades and master of none. Each husband and wife was a team that together could and had to do everything that was needed.


Welcome aboard, coberst (can I call you Conner?). That's an impressive first post. I'll be interested to see what ideas you bring to the table.

While I recognize the ideal that you're pointing to in the quoted text, and agree that it was an ideal widely espoused on the American frontier, I think it's dangerous to assume that people lived up to it with any regularity. Francis Jennings, for example, has compellingly argued that European frontiersmen in the New World would have been thoroughly incapable of establishing a foothold on the continent had they not found ready collaborators in the indigenous societies. Richard Hofstadter also discusses the yeoman ideal at length, and from reading his books and other sources, I've come to think it highly unlikely that many people, if any at all, truly managed to be self-sufficient during the frontier expansion.

Which is not, of course, to say that we aren't even further removed from the ideal than they were. But it also seems that some pockets of flexibility have opened up here and there. Some scholars have suggested that the ease and readiness with which the younger adult generations transition from one job to the next, not only within a given field but across fields, constitutes a sort of economic freedom that hasn't been evidence in the United States since the 19th century.


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I must disappoint you by admitting that the c stands for Chuck. However thanks for the welcome.

Let's try to empathize with the frontier family who is a farmer or small merchant. Such a family must face alone all the tsunamis of everyday existence without help from anyone other than a few neighbors. Such a family has no "safety net" of any kind. There is no insurance, pension, social security, hospital, and no hardware store with all the technology to help when things go wrong. Such a family must reconstruct reality constantly when faced with a reality that they are unprepared for. Such a family must constantly recreate a new reality as reality constantly shakes the foundation of their understanding.


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