Question about free will
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:10 pm
Would it be logically possible for an omnipotent Creator to create Beings that always freely chooses good?
Hi Ant. What an interesting fellow you are!ant wrote:Would it be logically possible for an omnipotent Creator to create Beings that always freely chooses good?
Why?Hi Ant. What an interesting fellow you are!
Few people have the audacity and interest to start a thread on such a large metaphysical topic as free will and determinism.ant wrote:Why?Hi Ant. What an interesting fellow you are!
You are being condescendingFew people have the audacity and interest to start a thread on such a large metaphysical topic as free will and determinism.
You may need to update yourself in relation to the latest theories of the laws of physics.We have an omnipresent and omnipotent ruler of our universe, known as the laws of physics.
Se above. Also, laws are not powerful. They are simply laws.The laws of physics are universally constant and true throughout the whole of reality and admit of no denial of their power.
I have not indicated that God can "disobey" laws like some naughty child.The idea of a God who disobeys the laws of physics is impious in the extreme. Such a supernatural entity is logically impossible and should really be excluded from sensible consideration as a vile heresy against scientific wisdom.
I do not entirely disagree with the aboveEven if there is an actual ultimate quantum determinacy, we cannot know it, and so must live as if we are fully free and personally responsible for our decisions. Jean-Paul Sartre's paradoxical existential line remains completely valid, that we are condemned to be free.
This would be huge news, Ant. In what sense has invariance been overturned? Specifics please.Ant:
You may need to update yourself in relation to the latest theories of the laws of physics.
The laws of physics may vary throughout the universe. So, they would not be omnipresent and omnipotent as you say.
No, far from being condescending, I am being honest. I really welcome you raising this topic as it is among the most interesting and deep questions in philosophy.ant wrote:Quote:"Few people have the audacity and interest to start a thread on such a large metaphysical topic as free will and determinism." You are being condescending.
See Johnson's comment. The laws of physics are invariant.Quote:"We have an omnipresent and omnipotent ruler of our universe, known as the laws of physics." You may need to update yourself in relation to the latest theories of the laws of physics.The laws of physics may vary throughout the universe. So, they would not be omnipresent and omnipotent as you say.
The law of gravity holds the earth in orbit around the sun. That is power. The law of relativity, with the universal constants, provides the universal structure of our anthropic universe to establish the conditions of possibility for life to exist. That is powerful. The law of evolution describes all biological reproduction. Nothing ever happens that contradicts the laws of physics.Quote: "The laws of physics are universally constant and true throughout the whole of reality and admit of no denial of their power." See above. Also, laws are not powerful. They are simply laws.
The fact is that nothing transcends natural law, as shown by the incoherence of postulating disobedience to them. Anyone who claims that God transcends natural law is wrong and unethical, guilty of using imaginary fantasy in place of observed evidence.Quote:"The idea of a God who disobeys the laws of physics is impious in the extreme. Such a supernatural entity is logically impossible and should really be excluded from sensible consideration as a vile heresy against scientific wisdom." I have not indicated that God can "disobey" laws like some naughty child. If [God] could transcend natural law, then there would be nothing naughty about a being that operates both within and without the laws of physics. You might as well ask me if God can create a stone to heavy for him to lift.
Type in google "Laws of physics may vary" and read as it relates to one of the universal constants - what was once believe to be "universal" but now is under question.johnson1010 wrote:This would be huge news, Ant. In what sense has invariance been overturned? Specifics please.Ant:
You may need to update yourself in relation to the latest theories of the laws of physics.
The laws of physics may vary throughout the universe. So, they would not be omnipresent and omnipotent as you say.
Hi Ant. It is a question of balance of probabilities.ant wrote:Type in google "Laws of physics may vary" and read as it relates to one of the universal constants - what was once believe to be "universal" but now is under question. It is not a difficult thing to search for. Also, how are you able to determine with certainty that the speed of light remains constant between point a on earth and point b, a billion miles away? Please tell me how that is determined with certainty. Let's not make any faith inductive leaps here, now. Tell me how yours and science's observational powers are that omnipotent. Thanksjohnson1010 wrote:This would be huge news, Ant. In what sense has invariance been overturned? Specifics please.Ant: You may need to update yourself in relation to the latest theories of the laws of physics. The laws of physics may vary throughout the universe. So, they would not be omnipresent and omnipotent as you say.