@Robert,
You wrote:
Robert Tulip wrote:Native, if you provide independent evidence I am open to being convinced. It is just that I have not seen any independent evidence to back your claims around Hathor and Isis being Milky Way Goddesses, or that the primeval mound refers to the Milky Way. These claims are not mentioned in books I have read about ancient Egypt, but I may have missed it. The Wikipedia entries do not provide sources.
From
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor#Relationsh ... nd_symbols
“Hathor had a complex relationship with Ra, in one myth she is his eye and considered his daughter but later, when Ra assumes the role of Horus with respect to Kingship, she is considered Ra's mother. She absorbed this role from another cow goddess 'Mht wrt' ("Great flood") who was the mother of Ra in a creation myth and carried him between her horns. As a mother she gave birth to Ra each morning on the eastern horizon and as wife she conceives through union with him each day”.
“Hathor, along with the goddess Nut, was associated with the Milky Way during the third millennium B.C. when, during the fall and spring equinoxes, it aligned over and touched the earth where the sun rose and fell. The four legs of the celestial cow represented Nut or Hathor could, in one account, be seen as the pillars on which the sky was supported with the stars on their bellies constituting the Milky Way on which the solar barque of Ra, representing the sun, sailed”.
“An alternate name for Hathor, which persisted for 3,000 years, was Mehturt (also spelt Mehurt, Mehet-Weret, and Mehet-uret), meaning “great flood”, a direct reference to her being the Milky Way. The Milky Way was seen as a waterway in the heavens, sailed upon by both the sun deity and the moon, leading the ancient Egyptians to describe it as The Nile in the Sky”.
AD: This should be very clear: Hathor, and Nut, are directly connected to the Milky Way; Ra in his “boat of millions of years” is also directly connected to the Milky Way and not to the Sun as such.
I can elaborate more on the logics and mythical implications in this text if you like.
- But if you judge Wikipedia as a dependence source that cannot be taken seriously et all, read the links below which more or less states the very same.
On Hathor:
Read “Gods of the Egyptians”, by E. A. T. Wallis Budge. Page 428
Online Link:
books.google.dk/books?id=coxXaPPoBUUC&a ... mp;f=false
And:
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/hathor.html
Google and read results for “Hathor+Milky Way”.
On Isis:
experiencefestival.com/a/Isis_-_Mytholo ... /id/593822
Google and read the results for "Isis+Hathor+assimilation"
The logics of the Isis-Hathor assimilation: When Hathor being a Milky Way goddess and Isis culturally assimilates/overtakes the qualities; attributes and the connected mythological telling of Hathor in large, it is of course very logically also to connect Isis to the Milky Way – and to the creation story of the Milky Way itself.
- It is then on the first physical creation of the “Primordial Mound”, in the Milky Way centre, that Hathor/Isis /Mary/Neith/Nut - or other comparative goddesses – gives birth to the luminous Milky Way light of Ra, also mentioned as “The First Light”; The Enclosed Light”, created from the Ogdoad 4 (8) basical elementary deities. Ra is then logically the light of the Milky Way and not the light of the Sun which logically enough is created some time after the creation of the Primordial Mound.
In any myths of Creation that describes a “forthcoming land” or “soil being pushed up from the waters” or "man being created out of clay" etc. etc. this is connected to the creation of the Primordial Mound and to the Milky Way because this creation is started off by the 4 (8) Ogdoad elementary deities that created the first physically creator deities belonging to the Milky Way luminous centre.
The first physical creating is RA emerging as the radiant light of the Milky Way; then creating the 2 half hemisphere “lunar-like-crescent” stylized figures/creators of the vaulting Milky Way, and lastly creating the full Milky Way contour of the "Heavenly Serpent" or the full "Milky Way River" that give origin for the “Flood Myths” all over the world. (Not because of any sin – but just because the river runs in the heaven clearly observable all around the Earth).
Google and read also "Emergence Myths" and "Milky Way Myths"
Cheers Native