So Native,
you have NOT read 'Christ in Egypt' or any of her other books either. For the third time, this is a thread specifically about that book and there's no mention of the milky way at all. So, you are wasting our time here.
Native wrote:But if you wish, give me 1 concrete example of a supposed mix-up of mine so we can discuss out from a concrete example of who is mixing what things up.
Okay ...
Native wrote:AD: Non the less, you yourself linked to the "Christ Conspiracy" in order to tell me that the issue of the Milky Way Goddesses (Hathor as Milky Way Goddess/Mother Moon Goddess, later replaced by Isis, in this case) already was/is mentioned in this book.
Regarding the tread topic of "The Virgin Isis-Mery", it was/is very relevant for me to know some answers to how important the concept of "Virgin Moon Goddesses" is, as asked in the quotation above and I´m waiting for answers to this issue.
- I´m asking this question because I don´t understand why the clearly stated Milky Way deity connections doesn´t have a higher priority/firm relevans in the works of Acharya.
My previous point about her mentioning the milky way in her first book from 1999 was merely to demonstrate to you that she is aware of milky way myths and that the reason she doesn't mention it is due to the fact that they are completely irrelevant to the work that she does in comparative mythology showing parallels to Christianity. Now, since you're the expert, show me with primary source evidence and substantiate it with a few scholars comments that Mary is another milky way myth. Or, please provide valid evidence of milky way myths anywhere throughout the New Testament. But, don't waste our time doing it here because it's completely off-topic here. You need to do that in your thread at Freethought Nation,
NOT HERE. It's completely irrelevant here. Understand?
Native wrote:A mythological Moon Goddess can logically of course NOT give birth to the Sun – or a Son – but a Milky Way Goddess can if you read the Stories of Creation and connect the story to the formation of the Milky Way. This is what I´m trying to state in my posts anywhere in the religious/mythological debates.
And this is why you fail, logic has nothing to do with it. It's about the personification and
Anthropomorphism of nature and natural phenomena, which you should have known long before you ever created your website. It's ancient religious mythology 101 and you appear to know nothing about it. You make absolutely no effort to verify or confirm your claims in any way; you seriously believe that your
dreams and visions are all the evidence you need to make these claims and connections. That's why anyone who wants to retain their credibility and reliability must steer clear of your website. At least until you fix those issues. It just doesn't look like you're even trying to be accurate at all, Native.
At the Temple of Sais: "I am all that has been, and is, and shall be, and the fruit I have produced is the sun."
- Christ in Egypt, page 146
"The general interpretation of this inscription is that Neith, one of the most important deities of the Egyptian pantheon, is not only the “Alpha and Omega,” so to speak, but also the inviolate begetter of the sun, the Immaculate Virgin and Great Mother. Validating this contention, Dr. John D. Ray, a professor of Egyptology at Cambridge, comments:
"In Sais in the Delta...there was a virgin goddess who gave birth to the sun at the beginning of time by some form of parthenogenesis."
- Christ in Egypt, page 147
See how Acharya S did that, Native? Maybe you could do that sometime? Of course, she provides much more information on it than I quoted above.
Notice there's no mention of the milky way at the
Wiki article for Isis, Native?
I don't mean to be harsh but, your utter ignorance on these issues is just making more work for me to have to explain it to you. I really don't have time to spoon-feed you when you have so much to learn and you really should be reading and studying books rather than relying on your dreams and visions, which are unreliable and do not ever prove anything. Your dreams and visions are important to you but just because it feels good to you doesn't make it so - that is called euphoria and faith. Nobody doubts that there are significant milky way myths but all you're doing here and at Freethought Nation is irritating us because you simply do not know what the hell you're talking about. Your website is full of sloppy and egregious errors; it's best that you fix all that before trying to force your dreams and visions on us. Understand?
Native wrote:"In my opinion have our ancestors all over the World got some similar information's about cosmological conditions which modern astrophysics have rediscovered in the modern time with technological instruments. But how was that possible for our ancestors on the north hemisphere to recognize the southern heaven an the Milky Way figure and its cosmological knowledge?
The answer is: By spiritual journeys of wise men and woman and trough intuitive knowledge!
I know this from some visions and dreams of my own..."
http://native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm
Native wrote:There is a huge scholarly/consensus interpretative confusion between Lunar and Milky Way deities going on, and also between the terms of “light of the Sun” and “light and shape of the Milky Way centre”.
No, there is not. Must be your dreams again. Look, we are the first in line to pin academia to wall for inaccurate information but what you're doing is making it up however you wish. You must stop.
Native wrote:since you don´t like any links to “my horrible website”, read this instead ... Combine the information from these two articles and see what you get out of them.
There are some good things on your website but, the claims that are wrong are so utterly embarrassingly wrong that it's like somebody took a dump every few claims. If you got rid of the claims that are wrong your website would be fine.
What it looks like to me is that you are Ivar Nielsen trying to pretend that he is someone else now? Are you or are you not Ivar Nielsen? It's a copy/paste from your website so, if you're not Ivar Nielsen I'd be pissed if I were you. Or are you the one plagiarizing Ivar Nielsen?
Native wrote: 3) SUN-CARRIAGE OR MILKY WAY CARRIAGE?
The Norse Mythology have a telling of a Horse dragging the Sun over the vault of heaven. This must be confusion. You cannot create such a symbol and such a story. One cannot se any Horse dragging the Sun Disk over the vault of Heaven! The confusion is made when scholars interpret the Wheel-symbol as a Sun-symbol, which is wrong.
Picture 2 showing a ritual carriage from the Bronze Age, called the ―Sun Wagon‖ from Trundholm, Denmark. All these pictures shows different cultural stages of picturing the same motif: The Milky Way contours with the Celestial Centre.
Therefore the ―Sun-Carriage‖ must be renamed to ―Milky Way –Carriage‖ and the mythological storytelling should be telling of this instead of ―dragging the Sun-disk over the vault of heaven‖.
The Trundholm sun-carriage was already touched on previously on page 4 here. You're still not understanding even the most basic part of just how badly and embarrassingly wrong you are. First,
the disc was originally fully covered in gold (gold is often an ancient symbol for the sun) and
those other bits fell off over time. So, your egregious error is assuming that the pattern was originally meant to match the milky way. Nothing could be further from the truth. You could've learned that from a cursory investigation. You only embarrass yourself with those pics comparing the milky way image to it and your giant leap of faith claiming that the image on the sun-carriage is that of the milky way. It is not and everybody knows that except you, apparently. When you do stuff like that you ruin it for all of us who love mythology. Understand? It's absolutely imperative that you stop making these types of utterly false claims. Please remove them from your website.
The sun-carriage i.e. a horse pulling the carriage is a common solar theme in the ancient world representing the movement of the sun across the sky. We know this because the ancients themselves explained it as such, which you are oblivious. You could learn about much of that by actually reading Acharya's books since they include the primary sources and highly respected and credentialed scholars across a wide variety of disciplines substantiating it.
Your claim is demonstrably sloppy, egregious and embarrassingly wrong. If you want to show how academia is wrong then you need to PROVE them wrong with credible evidence not dreams, visions, speculation and opinion with no valid evidence to substantiate your claims. Understand? So, the "confusion" in this case is all yours Native/Ivar Nielsen and a simple cursory check would've told you so. It's reasons like this that your website is not reliable. Understand?
Now, please stop doing this as all you're doing is making far more work for me when I don't have time for this crap.